Betsy Chapin Taylor
Episode 20

Narrator:

Welcome friends to another episode of The Story & Experience Podcast. Join your host, Japhet De Oliveira, with his guest today and discover the moments that shape us, our families and communities.

Japhet De Oliveira:

Welcome to another episode of The Story & Experience Podcast. For all our regulars, you know exactly what's going to happen. For everybody who's brand new, this is what takes place. We have 100 questions. Obviously, I'm not going to ask all 100 questions. The first 10 are really easy and then 11 to 100, the guest gets to choose a number and we will dance around inside that space. What you need to do is just kind of grab your cup of tea, sit back, enjoy the conversation as we chin wag through this. She's actually laughing right. And kind of just sit back and enjoy the conversation we're going to have. So without much further ado, let's just dive in and let's begin with your name. And does anybody ever slaughter it, mispronounce it?

Betsy Chapin Taylor:

Yes. Yes.

Japhet De Oliveira:

Okay. All right.

Betsy Chapin Taylor:

My name is Betsy Chapin Taylor. I use my maiden name as a middle name because there are several other Betsy Taylors out in the world that I continued to get confused with. However, the liability of that is Chapin. It's been mispronounced as Chapen, Chapman. You come up with it, it's been called that. But the most disturbing confusion around my name was when I actually got accidentally introduced as Betsy Chapin Carpenter, because they were thinking of Mary Chapin Carpenter. And I think when I got out on the stage, people expected me to sing.

Japhet De Oliveira:

Oh, that's beautiful. That's fantastic. So, Betsy, what do you do for work at the moment?

Betsy Chapin Taylor:

Sure. So I work in advancing healthcare philanthropy. Healthcare philanthropy is charitable giving by individuals, corporations, and foundations to support healthcare in a variety of different spaces, whether it's supporting hospital work, working in communities to promote well-being, driving innovation. But I believe it's really beautiful work where we get to partner with others to enable a shared vision.

Japhet De Oliveira:

That sounds beautiful, but it actually sounds like really hard work if we're honest about it.

Betsy Chapin Taylor:

You know, people say that to me all the time. People often will say like, "How can you raise money for a living?" And I don't think of it as raising money. I think about it as an invitation to people to be part of something bigger than themselves. I go back always to the root of the word philanthropy, that it comes from the Greek philanthropist, which was about a love of humankind. And so I feel like while money is part of the equation, it's truly about an expression of love for other people that is enabled through a gift of money.

Japhet De Oliveira:

That's fantastic. I love the way that you frame it and the way that you think about it. That's beautiful. How long have you been in this role doing this?

Betsy Chapin Taylor:

Oh, about 25 years. It's not where I had planned to start out. I actually started out working in journalism. I was a storyteller and I fell sideways into raising money, and it's been a wonderful journey.

Japhet De Oliveira:

Fell sideways into raising money. That's beautiful. I like that expression. That's great. All right. So let's talk about the morning. When you wake up in the morning, what's your first drink in the mornings? Is it waters? Is it coffee? Is it one of those green smoothies? Or tea?

Betsy Chapin Taylor:

I would say I'm a switch hitter. There are days that I get up and have a cup of tea. There are days I have water. There are days I go to the Starbucks and get a latte. So just depends. Some of it, I would say, Japhet, is defined by how much time I have on that morning. How fast am I running? Where do my children have to be?

Japhet De Oliveira:

Beautiful. All right, Betsy, where were you born?

Betsy Chapin Taylor:

I was born in Chattanooga, Tennessee. And for those who've not been to Chattanooga, it is a beautiful place of mountains and lakes. My family, both my mother and my father had grown up there so I had tons of family there. And so Chattanooga will always be home in many ways.

Japhet De Oliveira:

I literally was there just last week and it's phenomenal.

Betsy Chapin Taylor:

Wow.

Japhet De Oliveira:

I know. I know.

Betsy Chapin Taylor:

Small world.

Japhet De Oliveira:

I know. I know. It's beautiful. All right. And so I presume you go back that often, right?

Betsy Chapin Taylor:

I really don't, sadly. Most of my family has gone, so I don't. My family has dispersed. So I now have a brother in Nashville, Tennessee, and I've got a brother in Philadelphia. So I'm more likely to follow the humans than to go to the place of origin.

Japhet De Oliveira:

Okay. Fair enough. Fair enough. All right. So when you were a child, what did you imagine you were going to be?

Betsy Chapin Taylor:

Oh, wow. You know, I really thought I was going to be a doctor at one point. I always was attracted to medicine and I excelled at biology. I went to college on a biology scholarship, bizarrely. And so that's the direction I really thought I would go. Then I just realized I had really fallen in love with the written and spoken word, and it was a better use of my skills and talents. And so once again, the path that I had envisioned for myself as a child was not ultimately the path that was the one I felt I was supposed to be on.

Japhet De Oliveira:

Yeah. For our listeners, we had a governance summit at the beginning of the year this year, and people were mesmerized by your articulation, your speaking. And then they were mesmerized by your writing skills as well. I mean, Betsy's ridiculously talented. So yes.

Betsy Chapin Taylor:

Thank you. Thank you so much.

Japhet De Oliveira:

No. It's really pretty good. All right. So personality. Would people, if they described you, would they describe you as extrovert, introvert, and would you agree?

Betsy Chapin Taylor:

Oh, I think most people would describe me as an extrovert, but they would be wrong. I'm very much an introvert. I've chosen a profession where I need to be out front and center with people, and I love other people. But I'm much happier talking one-on-one to another human being than being in a large group. Being with a lot of people, it wears me out. So I kind of go to where I get fed, and where I get fed is being by myself, reading a book, being with like one other person. So I'm very much an introvert.

Japhet De Oliveira:

Beautiful. Beautiful. All right. And then let's talk about habits. Are you one of those early risers or a night owl?

Betsy Chapin Taylor:

Oh, I'm a night owl. I aspire to be an early riser. I admire people who are early risers, but I'm the person who frankly drags myself out of bed at the last minute in the morning because I stayed up too late the night before. But the night is when my house has gotten quiet. My husband is an early-to- bed, early riser. And so at night, that's the time that I find a quiet, dark empty house where I can sit and read a book, or do whatever I want to do without anyone asking me to do anything for them.

Japhet De Oliveira:

I love it. I love it. The creativity, the juices flow. It was beautiful.

Betsy Chapin Taylor:

Yeah, it is.

Japhet De Oliveira:

So this morning when you woke up, what was the first thing that went through your mind?

Betsy Chapin Taylor:

I can't be late to go talk to Japhet. I got up and looked at the clock to think, "What time is it? Am I on time?"

Japhet De Oliveira:

You were. You were. All right. Here's the last question on this group here is a leadership question. Are you a backseat driver?

Betsy Chapin Taylor:

You know, of late I'm definitely not a backseat driver, but a passenger seat driver. I have two 16-year-old daughters and I've been the one teaching them to drive. On one hand it has been wonderful. On the other hand, my foot is often searching for the fake brake that is not there. And there are moments. Probably eight weeks ago, my daughter Grace goes flying up to a red light, goes straight through it and turns right. And I'm like, "What are you doing?" She said, "You can go right on red." I said, "Only after you stop." So right now I am definitely somewhat. And I've admit I have to restrain myself from doing that with my husband, but I feel I can full-on go there with my girls.

Japhet De Oliveira:

I understand. I understand more than you realize. All right, we are done with the intro. So here we go. We're 11 to 100. You get to choose which number you want to go. 100's obviously the hardest. It gets progressively more open. So, Betsy, where would you like to begin?

Betsy Chapin Taylor:

Oh, it's a little intimidating to think of those numbers out there. So, given the two 16-year-old girls, I'll start with 16.

Japhet De Oliveira:

All right. All right. That's a beautiful. Tell us about one of the places you've traveled and why do you want to go back?

Betsy Chapin Taylor:

Oh, I love to travel. I've had the privilege to be a lot of places, but probably first on my list to go back would be Cuba. I went there on a cruise, so I was only there for one day and I was so struck by the stark beauty of the place, by the element of it being stuck in time with all the older cars. But also just the incredible contrast between, say, government buildings that were beautiful and immaculate and made of marble, sitting next to homes where the windows were falling out and there was a tree growing through the side of the building.

Betsy Chapin Taylor:

It was just such a stark contrasts between money and power and incredible poverty. I pulled out my iPhone that day and I just started taking photographs of doors and windows. And I would love to go back and just spend a day walking around with a camera and just capture what is a place that is frozen in time.

Japhet De Oliveira:

That's true. If I know that you love pictures, I know you love art. So yes, absolute truth is good. Beautiful. All right. Where'd you want to go off to, 16 up or down?

Betsy Chapin Taylor:

Okay. I'm going to go bold and I may regret it. I'm going to go all the way to 60.

Japhet De Oliveira:

All right. 60 it is. When in life have you felt most alone?

Betsy Chapin Taylor:

Whew, boy. That's something I could take two very different directions. So first, alone to me means two very different things. One, there is the beautiful alone, which is solitude. And that to me is sitting, like honestly out in nature, like being the only one on the beach in the morning when the sun rises and you can't see anyone in either direction and you just feel the sense of just awe and beauty.

Betsy Chapin Taylor:

But where my head immediately went when you said, "When did you feel the most alone?" was actually to, frankly, a kind of a really dark and heavy place. And it maybe more than you want to hear, but I can literally tell you the day, the place, and almost the hour, that I felt the most alone in my whole life. And it was November 11th, 2011 at approximately three o'clock in the afternoon.

Betsy Chapin Taylor:

I'll go backwards to give you context before telling you what was going on in that room that day. So that was November 11th. In September of 2009, I woke up to a phone call from my father telling me that my mother had died and I was stunned. My mother was in excellent health. My mom and I were very, very close. And I thought, "Dad, you've got to be wrong." Like you're wrong. Like get her help. You're wrong. But my mom had actually died of an aneurysm at the age of 61. And it was a devastating blow to me.

Betsy Chapin Taylor:

My father at the time had colon cancer and my mother had been caring for my father. So my father then died in August of 2011. Within about six weeks of my father dying, my daughter, Grace, who was six years old at the time. I was giving her a bath one night and ran my hand down the back of her head. And there was a bump on the back of her head. And she said, "Don't touch my bump, mom. It hurts." And I was like, "What is your bump?" So I'm like pulling her hair apart, trying to figure out what's going on. I take her to the doctor. We go from doctor to doctor to doctor.

Betsy Chapin Taylor:

And they finally tell me that my six-year-old has a brain tumor. So on November 11th, 2011 at 11 o'clock in the morning. And I told her, "Grace Taylor, 11 better be your lucky number, baby." We were sitting at Monroe Carroll Children's Hospital at Vanderbilt University in Nashville, Tennessee. They were supposed to be out of surgery at 1:00 PM, and so by three o'clock we had heard nothing.

Betsy Chapin Taylor:

I was sitting in a room with probably 80 people. I was sitting with my husband. My other daughter, Elise, I remember holding her in my lap. My aunt and uncle were there, but I have never felt as alone in my life because I just wanted my parents, and I felt so sorry. Gosh. Oh. I felt orphaned by my parents. I felt abandoned in all honesty by my God. And I sat there and I know we all, if we're authentic, we all admit that we bargain with God sometimes.

Betsy Chapin Taylor:

Yes. And I sat there and I thought, "Don't take this child from me. I have already lost too much in losing both of my parents. I cannot lose this child." And it was the most alone, probably one of the scariest times of my life. And not long later, the physician, her surgeon came through door and I saw him all the way across the room. And you immediately look at, what's the expression on his face? And he saw me see him and he smiled and it gave me a thumbs up and it just-

Japhet De Oliveira:

Magical.

Betsy Chapin Taylor:

Oh my goodness. It was just relief washing over you, because you sit there and you think, "I can't lose her. I can not lose her." So, whew, that was probably a much heavier answer than you wanted, but.

Japhet De Oliveira:

Those are moments, right? They turn your entire life and they change your entire life.

Betsy Chapin Taylor:

Absolutely.

Japhet De Oliveira:

They open your heart. They make you think and they make you value things, and you see people differently. You see yourself differently. I'm with you entirely. You know, Betsy, I think we, I mean you and I are both working for Adventist Health, and we're in the glorious privilege of serving in a company that actually helps people in some of the most beautiful moments of their life and most difficult moments of their life all the time. Right? So I hear you. I hear you. I think that the loneliness is difficult and you can be lonely with hundreds of people around you.

Betsy Chapin Taylor:

Yes, you can. Yes, you can. And I think it has given me a lot of empathy for the people who cross through the doors of our hospitals every day to realize that they may look okay on the outside. They may even say the right things, but their hearts may be broken, because they are sometimes navigating things that are so big and so scary and potentially so transformational that I think you've always got to approach every other person, knowing that their heart may be broken, and that they may be going through something that you just can't fathom. And so I look at people in the hospital and I always try to make that extra effort to connect, to be kind, to reach out to the person who looks like they're carrying a heavy load and just say, "Hey, how you doing today?"

Japhet De Oliveira:

That's beautiful. That was beautiful. I think that that actually is the way we should live our lives. Absolutely.

Betsy Chapin Taylor:

Yes.

Japhet De Oliveira:

Yeah. Yeah. We could stop right now.

Betsy Chapin Taylor:

I could too.

Japhet De Oliveira:

No. Thank you. I mean, Betsy, like, that's a... Hey to everybody listening, if you feel that you are alone, I want you to know that you're not. I really do. I really do. I want you to know that you're not alone. There are many who feel the same way, but you're not alone. So yeah. It's good. It's good.

Japhet De Oliveira:

Wow. Well, Betsy, we should continue and we should press on. You can choose another number because that was a powerful moment, a powerful experience that I think not only shaped your life, but I'm with you, and I think shapes so many other lives as well. So after 60, where do you want to go?

Betsy Chapin Taylor:

I know. After 60, I'd like to go back to 11. No. Let's keep going, Japhet. Let's go to 71.

Japhet De Oliveira:

71. All right. Describe a time when your life took an unpredictable term.

Betsy Chapin Taylor:

Oh, wow. So question two builds on question one. Yeah. So after both my parents died, I'm in Chattanooga, Tennessee. I love Chattanooga. I do have family there, but the main reason for me being there is now gone with both of my parents gone. And so it was a moment in time when you had to say, "What is best for my family? What is best for me? Where do we need to go?"

Betsy Chapin Taylor:

And it ended up that I had applied to present this class for the American College of Healthcare Executives. And honestly, I didn't think they were going to invite me to present the class, but I went and presented the class and I ended up getting a score of like 4.98 out of five. They were pleased for the class, so they invited me to come back, and then they invited me to write a book.

Betsy Chapin Taylor:

After they invited me to write a book, then people started calling me and asking me to speak. And so here I sit and my life has changed. I'm trying to figure out what's next. And you know, like on one hand, I don't really believe in signs, but I kind of believe in signs. And so I had been thinking like, you know, what is my path? Like, show me my path.

Betsy Chapin Taylor:

I had gone to Chicago to speak for the American Hospital Association. And I was on a plane coming back that night, and I sat down next to this man and started having this amazing conversation with him and he told me he was a Benedictine monk. And we ended up talking about like life and purpose, and like who you are, and the things that shape you.

Betsy Chapin Taylor:

We had this beautiful conversation coming back from Chicago, and as we're getting off the plane, he had been on the aisle and I'd been on the window. So he was getting off ahead of me and he turned around and he reached back and he grabbed my hand and he said, "I feel like I need to tell you that you're trying to make a decision. And if you jump, God will catch you."

Betsy Chapin Taylor:

And I went to work the next day and I quit. I was ready. And I'd been looking. I had trying to affirm to myself. Like I'd basically built at that time, a speaking business on the side of my full-time work as a foundation president. And I just didn't have the courage to give up a full-time job with benefits and to go speak. But in that moment, I weirdly just thought, "Okay, this, this is it. You got to shoot. You got to move." Shoot or move you. You can't just stay on the fence forever. You've got to sometimes take the bold, risky move and grab what's in front of you instead of staying in the space that feels safe.

Japhet De Oliveira:

So look. He spoke a prophetic word into your life. I've got to ask you 71A, new question. Have you felt that you have spoken prophetic words into other people's lives?

Betsy Chapin Taylor:

You know, I hope so, in part, because there are so many particularly younger women that I've had a chance in my mind to mentor or to coach. And I have encouraged them to also go after the things that are in their heart and within their purpose. And sometimes, it's not always the natural path. You went to law school and you passed the bar, and you don't love being a lawyer. I had a friend who felt like she was stuck being a lawyer because she'd spent all that time but it's not where her heart was. And so there are times that hopefully I've encouraged other people to have the courage to jump.

Japhet De Oliveira:

Beautiful. Beautiful. All right. Thank you for answering 71A as well.

Betsy Chapin Taylor:

Thank you.

Japhet De Oliveira:

All right, great. Where do you want to go after 71A?

Betsy Chapin Taylor:

Let's go to 77.

Japhet De Oliveira:

77. All right. Oh yeah. Share one of your most cup-filling experiences with us.

Betsy Chapin Taylor:

Oh good, a happy question. I needed a happy question. Okay. So this is going to sound kind of crazy. This is a repeatable cup-filling incident.

Japhet De Oliveira:

Oh my.

Betsy Chapin Taylor:

Yes. So back when COVID started, we were extremely, extremely careful because my husband has been going through lung cancer and we were, I was, let's just say I was, terrified that he would get it and I would lose him. So we were incredibly careful about staying home. We didn't go anywhere. We ordered our groceries. We basically locked ourselves in the house. But there came a point when we were going crazy. So we decided what we needed to do is we were going to go and take a drive every night just to get out and see the world.

Betsy Chapin Taylor:

I have a convertible, and so we would put the top down. And I have two darling girls, and we all love show tunes. We're totally like Broadway folks. So we would get in the car and we would sing the whole first half of Hamilton driving down the road. Some nights we did Evan Hanson. Some nights we did Mean Girls. We would just like pick a show and we would just go drive and sing. And not sing well, but sing loudly and with vigor.

Betsy Chapin Taylor:

And it was so great that we still do it. We do it almost every night after dinner. Now, we've moved out of pop tunes. We're not sticking with the Broadway thing. Now we're doing whatever they're listening to on the radio. But it's fun. It's been a way for us to just bond, and it fills my cup every day to just look at these two girls, just singing their hearts out as we just spend time hanging out together. It's been a beautiful thing.

Japhet De Oliveira:

There is something about the whole family singing together. Isn't it?

Betsy Chapin Taylor:

It is.

Japhet De Oliveira:

In the car. It is. Whether we're in key or not, or whether we know the lyrics. I'm horrible with lyrics. Oh, it's still fun. It's still so fun. Oh, no, totally.

Betsy Chapin Taylor:

It is fun. I can do almost every lyric in Hamilton except the guns and ships rap. I'd have to be silent and let the girls do it. So they did that on their own.

Japhet De Oliveira:

Hamilton is good.

Betsy Chapin Taylor:

It's brilliant. I love Hamilton. So almost every night we look at my husband and we'll say, "Do you want to go with us?" He's like, "No, not a chance."

Japhet De Oliveira:

That's great. All right. Where do you want to go next?

Betsy Chapin Taylor:

Let's go to 81.

Japhet De Oliveira:

81. All right. What is something you've given your absolute best effort towards, and why was it important?

Betsy Chapin Taylor:

Oh!

Japhet De Oliveira:

Which one?

Betsy Chapin Taylor:

I think the thing that I've given my biggest and best effort toward was building a consulting firm. So when I left and I went out on my own, I was by myself. I was going to have this little firm and I called, frankly, my financial advisor, and I said, "If I get in trouble and we're eating cat food, can you help me out and help me get money out of my retirement plan?"

Betsy Chapin Taylor:

So I went into this thinking I was going to sustain myself, but I didn't think that I was going to build anything, frankly. And suddenly, I was out there talking about things in a different way. I wanted to be progressive. I wanted to push on things. I wanted to challenge the status quo, and people started paying attention. I started getting invited to speak in more places and write in more places. And suddenly my little firm started to grow and we were getting contracts that we should not have gotten. But I loved it. I loved every moment.

Betsy Chapin Taylor:

I kept speaking, and writing, and pushing, and making connections, and my little tiny firm has grown to a firm of 23 people. I know that it's still microscopic compared to a lot of organizations, but I look at it and my fingerprints and my love are all over it. It's been a beautiful thing to build, in part because I was able to gather around me people who were purpose-driven and like-minded, and who I just love like family. And so that has probably been my best effort. Besides my kids, which are also one of my best efforts.

Japhet De Oliveira:

Oh, that's beautiful. Beautiful. Good. All right. Where do you want to go next?

Betsy Chapin Taylor:

Let's go to 88.

Japhet De Oliveira:

88. All right. Tell us about how your life has been different than what you imagined.

Betsy Chapin Taylor:

Boy, let's just keep going back. I had assumed I would live out my entire life in Chattanooga, Tennessee. Yeah. I mean, my family had been there on both sides. There was a beautiful thing about having your family there. I grew up with a pile of cousins and we always had every holiday at my grandparents. It was a predictable suite of food.

Betsy Chapin Taylor:

I imagined I would continue doing all those things. I would work for a hospital in Chattanooga. I would live in Chattanooga. I would raise my children there. They would go to school there. That's what I thought was going to happen. And then I moved away. We moved to [Ponte Vedra 00:28:26] Beach, Florida. And people are like, "Why in the world are you moving to Ponte Vedra Beach?" But it was great schools, great airport.

Betsy Chapin Taylor:

All these things came together. So I was suddenly living in a place that I had no roots and I did not know anyone. But I'm very, very happy here. I left a job that was that safe space and went out on my own to start the firm, and I never, ever, ever in a million years would have thought that my life would have taken the course it did.

Betsy Chapin Taylor:

But I think about my parents so much. And I think my parents would be happy for me and proud for me that, frankly, in my mind, I feel like I rose above two knocks that were incredibly hard and I made something good out of it.

Japhet De Oliveira:

That's fantastic. That's beautiful. Beautiful. Well, we have time for two final questions. So two final numbers. Where do you want to go for your final numbers?

Betsy Chapin Taylor:

Well, let's go to 94.

Japhet De Oliveira:

94. All right. If you could change one thing in the world what would that be?

Betsy Chapin Taylor:

I am saddened by seeing all the divisiveness in our country, all of the rhetoric, the mean spiritedness, the pulling people down. If I could change one thing, it would be that people's primary compass is set on kind. I just think like we do so much these days to be critical or, I don't know, not to support and love our fellow man. And I think if we could just be kind, it would be a much better world.

Japhet De Oliveira:

Yes. Yes. I love that. Absolutely. All right. Last number. Which one do you want?

Betsy Chapin Taylor:

If the top is 100, you've got to go for 100 or you're a wimp. So.

Japhet De Oliveira:

All right. Let's see. All right. Tell us about one question that you just don't want to answer.

Betsy Chapin Taylor:

So that's great. You force us into naming the question and then answering it.

Japhet De Oliveira:

Yeah.

Betsy Chapin Taylor:

You know, I think it would be what are the things that you're not proud of? I think in all of our lives, there are things that we regret, where we weren't as kind as we could have been, where we weren't as smart as we could have been, where we didn't make the best decisions. And sometimes you look back and you see with clarity what you should have done because you've got more experience, or you've got more context. But I look back with decisions I made at some points when I thought I was doing my best, but I didn't always make the best decision or make the kindest choice. And I regret those things. But I figure that at every point in the road, you do the best that you can, and so you've got to have grace also for yourself.

Japhet De Oliveira:

Yes. Yes, you do. I think that's what the empathy should teach us, not only for others but for ourselves as well.

Betsy Chapin Taylor:

Yes. And honestly, grace for yourself is the hardest, I think. It's so much easier to embrace someone else than to forgive your own foibles, or rough edges, or shortcomings, or places that you just thought you could do better and then you didn't. It's so much harder to forgive yourself and give yourself grace.

Japhet De Oliveira:

Yeah. And I think it actually holds us back sometimes. I mean, it holds us back often. And so I'm with you on that so much. So much potential and so much beauty in so many people if they would release themselves.

Betsy Chapin Taylor:

Yeah.

Japhet De Oliveira:

Yeah, absolutely.

Betsy Chapin Taylor:

Absolutely.

Japhet De Oliveira:

Well, Betsy, it has been an incredible moment with you. This conversation, I mean. You are absolutely a storyteller, and thank you for sharing the stories and experiences with us. And for the candor. I wouldn't expect anything less from you.

Betsy Chapin Taylor:

Thank you.

Japhet De Oliveira:

For our listeners, you do have to listen to Betsy at other locations, if you've ever listened to recalibrate [inaudible 00:32:58], or if you've ever listened to her speak at any of our summits. I mean, she says she's an introvert, right? And I believe her.

Betsy Chapin Taylor:

I am.

Japhet De Oliveira:

But she will take all of her introverted energy actually to transform your life, and be in that space.

Betsy Chapin Taylor:

Thank you.

Japhet De Oliveira:

So thank you for giving so much of yourself, not only to this company, but actually to the people and the community.

Betsy Chapin Taylor:

Thank you. I am so deeply proud to be part of this organization. Adventist Health is truly a beautiful place with a provocative, progressive, audacious vision and an incredible foundation of love and kindness. I'm so proud and honored to be part of this work.

Japhet De Oliveira:

Well, we're really glad that you're doing so much for us. It's fantastic.

Betsy Chapin Taylor:

Thank you.

Japhet De Oliveira:

Well, I'm going to encourage all of the people who are listening, do take some time. Get a good cup of tea, sit down, share your story and experiences. You will grow. Others will grow. It will be transformative. It's worth your time. God will look after you and bless you.

Narrator:

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