Chris Garcia
Episode 140

Narrator: Welcome friends to another episode of The Story and Experience podcast. Join your host, Japhet De Oliveira with his guest today and discover the moments that shape us, our families and communities.

Japhet De Oliveira: Hey, welcome friends to another episode of The Story and Experience podcast. I'm here in Roseville, California, sitting across the table from a brand new guest and excited for you to be able to meet them and discover who they are and all the stories and experiences that shape them into the leader that they are today. If you're brand new, you'd know that we have a hundred questions and they progressively become more complex as time gets closer to 100. They get to choose where they want to go. I'll ask the first 10 and then we'll it from there. So let me begin by saying, could you tell us your name and does anybody ever mispronounce it?

Chris Garcia: Chris Garcia, and I think I had a baseball announcer mispronounce it once. It was Chris Grossica, but it was probably just because of the coach, the way he wrote it on the lineup card. But no, pretty straightforward.

Japhet De Oliveira: You played baseball professionally or as a hobby?

Chris Garcia: I wish. I did get the opportunity to play in college, and now my son is growing up playing baseball.

Japhet De Oliveira: Oh, he is.

Chris Garcia: He's 11.

Japhet De Oliveira: I think I threw a ball once.

Chris Garcia: Very impressed. I'm very impressed. That's good.

Japhet De Oliveira: Chris, what do you do for work?

Chris Garcia: So I'm in our IT department here at Adventist Health. I lead our clinical applications, so currently Cerner, but we're making that switch over to Epic here in the next couple of years.

Japhet De Oliveira: Okay. IT applications? What's that?

Chris Garcia: Yeah, yeah. So it's really, our teams are really focused on supporting the electronic health record. So helping our clinicians, caregivers take care of the patient using that electronic health record.

Japhet De Oliveira: So do you have to be a clinician to know how to help them with that or?

Chris Garcia: No. We do have some clinically licensed associates on our team. But no, it doesn't require it. Not all roles require it, but there are definitely roles where that's a huge advantage.

Japhet De Oliveira: And you've been in IT your entire career, or?

Chris Garcia: I have, yeah.

Japhet De Oliveira: Really. Okay. So what did you do before? I mean, how long have you done this? You said?

Chris Garcia: 15 years.

Japhet De Oliveira: 15 years.

Chris Garcia: Yeah.

Japhet De Oliveira: Wow. Okay. All right.

Chris Garcia: So have I been in IT my entire career?

Japhet De Oliveira: Yeah.

Chris Garcia: Yep. I was hired right out of college to Adventist Health.

Japhet De Oliveira: Seriously?

Chris Garcia: Yep.

Japhet De Oliveira: Wow, that's amazing, man. That's pretty good. So you've just grown up in the company?

Chris Garcia: Yep.

Japhet De Oliveira: A lot of history. You probably know stuff that I have no idea about. That's great.

Chris Garcia: A lot of experience.

Japhet De Oliveira: A lot of experience. Hey, that's really good. So where were you born?

Chris Garcia: I was born in California. Mountain View, California.

Japhet De Oliveira: And did you grow up there a little bit?

Chris Garcia: Yeah. First few years of my life I was there in the Bay Area and then we moved to Roseville due to my dad's work and we've been here ever since.

Japhet De Oliveira: Hey, that's great. So when you were a child growing up, what did you imagine you were going to be?

Chris Garcia: Oh, a professional baseball player.

Japhet De Oliveira: Oh really? Yeah. Oh yeah.

Chris Garcia: Turns out that's pretty hard to do.

Japhet De Oliveira: I've seen a few movies.

Chris Garcia: Right, right.

Japhet De Oliveira: You still play then?

Chris Garcia: No. I might get a slow pitch softball game in here or there, but now I'm mostly a fan.

Japhet De Oliveira: Aw. Do you miss it?

Chris Garcia: I do, but as we all get a little bit older, we're not as good as we once was.

Japhet De Oliveira: Tell me about that. That's so true. That's so true. Okay. When you wake up, are you an early riser or late-night owl?

Chris Garcia: That's a tough one. I'm mostly an early riser. We've got some young kids at the house, two and four. If we get past 6:30-

Japhet De Oliveira: It's a miracle.

Chris Garcia: It's a miracle. So in order to get a little workout in, Peloton ride, something like that, that's got to start 5:30, 6:00, somewhere in there. So I don't know if that classifies as early. I know some that are up at 4:00 AM. That's not me. But I'm typically, 10:30 lights are out for sure by then.

Japhet De Oliveira: So when you woke up this morning, 5:00, 530, first thought that went through your mind today?

Chris Garcia: Where do all the kids need to be and what part of the run around plan was on me versus my wife.

Japhet De Oliveira: Fair trade. Fair trade. That's good. And then first drink of the day. Do you have water, coffee, liquid green smoothie, tea? What do you have?

Chris Garcia: I'm a coffee person in the morning. Got to have a cup of coffee, but typically if I am working out that day, it's water. Right? I'm not going to have a cup of coffee before I work out, but definitely on my way to work is a cup of coffee.

Japhet De Oliveira: Black or?

Chris Garcia: Just black?

Japhet De Oliveira: Okay. Look at you, man. That's good. That's good. All right, let me ask you about personality. If people were to describe you as an introvert or an extrovert, would you agree with them?

Chris Garcia: Yeah, I would agree with them.

Japhet De Oliveira: Being Which one?

Chris Garcia: I think most would say extrovert.

Japhet De Oliveira: And you would agree?

Chris Garcia: Yeah.

Japhet De Oliveira: That's good. That's good. And then a personality. Not personality, leadership question here. Are you a backseat driver?

Chris Garcia: That's a good one.

Japhet De Oliveira: Yeah.

Chris Garcia: Maybe describe what you think of as a backseat driver.

Japhet De Oliveira: Interesting you should say that. I have been asked that question many times and I've tried really hard just to let you define the backseat.

Chris Garcia: So the first thing that comes to mind is the kids are like, "Are we there yet?"

Japhet De Oliveira: Okay.

Chris Garcia: But that's not what you're talking about.

Japhet De Oliveira: I'm talking about if you're sitting in the backseat, someone else is driving, do you like to take over the wheel or do you like to let them drive? Do you like to say, "Hey, left now."

Chris Garcia: Yeah. I would not say I lead by being a backseat driver. I want to empower our team to be able to perform at their level and trust that they can deliver. So being a backseat driver can be a little detrimental to that.

Japhet De Oliveira: Yeah, it has its moments.

Chris Garcia: Sure.

Japhet De Oliveira: All right. Hey, that's good. That's good. Okay. The floor is open now you get to pick a number between 11 and 100.

Chris Garcia: 11 and 100.

Japhet De Oliveira: Where do you want to go? And you're probably thinking baseball numbers.

Chris Garcia: Yeah, yeah. Oh man. Okay. Let's just keep it in the teens to start. Let's do like-

Japhet De Oliveira: 99. I'm kidding.

Chris Garcia: That's not a teen. How about 17?

Japhet De Oliveira: 17. All right, here we go. Oh, share one day in the entire year that's special to you and why?

Chris Garcia: There's a lot of days.

Japhet De Oliveira: Yeah, I know.

Chris Garcia: And a lot of special days.

Japhet De Oliveira: I know. Just to share one.

Chris Garcia: I think one of the most special days is really with the kids is the first day of summer when summer break officially starts. Right? It feels like we're in a grind through the school year and work. And we know that work doesn't necessarily stop because summer comes, but when the kids get out of school, it's different. There's a fun day. They're excited about that. They've accomplished another year of schooling, and yeah, I think that's a special day.

Japhet De Oliveira: Yeah. Hey, that's good. Like that. Good. All right. What after 17?

Chris Garcia: All right, we'll go to my jersey number, 22.

Japhet De Oliveira: If you could be anywhere right now, where would you be?

Chris Garcia: Oh, I'd be on a beach on a tropical island somewhere.

Japhet De Oliveira: Oh really?

Chris Garcia: Oh yeah. Yeah.

Japhet De Oliveira: And are you a beach person or are you a sea person?

Chris Garcia: Ooh, I'm a beach person.

Japhet De Oliveira: Okay, so just sit on the beach. Just watch the water.

Chris Garcia: Yeah, I mean, I'll get in the water.

Japhet De Oliveira: Yeah.

Chris Garcia: Not too deep though.

Japhet De Oliveira: Yeah, that's good. That's good. A beach on a tropical place. Under umbrella or just in the sun?

Chris Garcia: Oh, no, just, yeah. Taking all the UV. My wife will tell you though, "You got the sunscreen on, right?" Yeah, she reminds me all the time.

Japhet De Oliveira: Yeah. I don't know if there's enough of it always, but, all right, good. All right. Where next after 22.

Chris Garcia: 30.

Japhet De Oliveira: 30, all right. Oh, tell us about something you're really looking forward to.

Chris Garcia: All right, so this weekend we just got back from our summer vacation as a family, and we started this last year. So this weekend my wife and I are just going, just her and I. We'll go down to Coronado just for a quick overnight and it's like the vacation after the vacation.

Japhet De Oliveira: The true vacation.

Chris Garcia: Yeah. The true, just let's relax and not have kids screaming and yelling and asking for milk or juice or something. So we're going to do that. It'll be a quick trip, but we did it last year and it's just a great time.

Japhet De Oliveira: That's great. I'm happy for you. That's fantastic. Good. All right. Where Next?

Chris Garcia: That was 30.

Japhet De Oliveira: Yeah.

Chris Garcia: Okay. Let's go to 36.

Japhet De Oliveira: 36. All right. Tell us about one thing you hope never changes.

Chris Garcia: That's a tough one for me because I feel like change is inevitable.

Japhet De Oliveira: That's true.

Chris Garcia: One thing that never changes.

Japhet De Oliveira: One thing that you hope that will never change.

Chris Garcia: Yeah. So I think when I think about this a little bit, it's man, if I could just have a scenario where health just stayed consistent, right? We just didn't-

Japhet De Oliveira: Do you know what? That would resonate with a lot of people.

Chris Garcia: Yeah. It might not be good for the Adventist Health business plan, but.

Japhet De Oliveira: Although we look at the whole thing.

Chris Garcia: That's right. That's true. That's true. That's true.

Japhet De Oliveira: Yeah.

Chris Garcia: I think just being able to just have a steady state of health and be able to enjoy all of the things that God's put on this earth for us and not have that-

Japhet De Oliveira: Ever change.

Chris Garcia: Ever change. Yeah.

Japhet De Oliveira: That'd be actually, Hey, isn't that part of hope?

Chris Garcia: Yeah.

Japhet De Oliveira: The aspiration of something amazing?

Chris Garcia: Yeah.

Japhet De Oliveira: I like it. I like it. All right, good. Where next? That was 36.

Chris Garcia: That was 36. Okay. Well, we got to make it over 50 at some point.

Japhet De Oliveira: You do. You have time,

Chris Garcia: You said it was to 100, right?

Japhet De Oliveira: To 100.

Chris Garcia: All right. 50.

Japhet De Oliveira: Okay. All right. 50 it is then. Share about who's influenced you professionally. 15 years. Yeah.

Chris Garcia: Yeah. So obviously I would consider myself still to be earlier in my career, but yeah, there's a lot of people that have influenced me throughout my career. If I start, so my aunt, she recently passed away, but she's just the type of aunt that was your biggest fan and she was in the IT field, and so she understood the work that I do. And so she would constantly encourage me and help me navigate through tough decisions. She was always a phone call away. I definitely miss that, especially with the direction that we're going right now and the amount of change that's coming.

Japhet De Oliveira: Change managing. Yeah.

Chris Garcia: Man, I would love to be able to bounce some questions off of her. But, so I would say from a family side. And then professionally, there's been people within Adventist Health organization that have definitely been a mentor and really have helped me grow to where I am today and given me some tools to continue to grow.

Japhet De Oliveira: Yeah, that's fantastic, man. That's fantastic. It's good to have good people and it's nice to have somebody who unequivocally is your sports fan.

Chris Garcia: Yeah, that's true.

Japhet De Oliveira: That's actually good. It's good.

Chris Garcia: Yeah. You need that sometimes.

Japhet De Oliveira: Yeah, we all do. Right? We like to be able to meet people who know us, so that's good. All right, good. Where next? That was 50.

Chris Garcia: That was 50. Okay. All right. 60.

Japhet De Oliveira: 60, all right. Oh, when in life have you felt most alone?

Chris Garcia: Yeah, so we started out with talking about sports. So sports were a huge part of my life and in college I transferred to Sacramento State and I was eventually cut from the baseball team and I had never been cut from a baseball team in my entire career up to that point. And so that becomes a pretty lonesome spot. Fortunately, it was Sacramento State, somewhat in the backyard. I could get home. We were in Roseville. I could get home pretty quickly from that scenario. But as a college student with an identity of baseball, that changed that day and talk about a feeling of loss and being alone and the guys that you went through the whole fall season with, some of them were continuing on with the team and some of them weren't, and trying to navigate that as whatever, 19-, 20-year-old person. That was an identifying moment for sure.

Japhet De Oliveira: That is. That is. I was at church last week and the preacher said, "Have you ever experienced a dramatic event in your life?" That's what you're talking about. Right? A dramatic event. What advice would you give somebody who maybe is going to college and something like that happens to them, or when they're young and you're impressionable, how do you come out of that?

Chris Garcia: Yeah, I think the biggest thing is just be willing to talk about it. Don't bottle it up. Find your support group. Find who that is. It doesn't necessarily have to be parents or friends, but who are the people that you can relate to and talk through that event? I think that's one of the things that I would definitely want to pass on. Be willing to talk about that event and seek help.

Japhet De Oliveira: That's good.

Chris Garcia: Yeah.

Japhet De Oliveira: That's good. Not easy to do, but good.

Chris Garcia: Yeah, it's not easy. I look back on that event even now as we're sitting here and think about, gosh, the first thing that comes to mind is "I failed." And at the end of the day, it's like, you didn't fail.

Japhet De Oliveira: Exactly. Yeah.

Chris Garcia: It just wasn't the right time. Or if you have a strong faith, God had a different plan for me, and clearly he did. I'm blessed. I'm blessed with a beautiful family and a great career. There's a lot of really silver linings or things that came out of that that just be willing to talk it through and know that there's a bigger plan in place.

Japhet De Oliveira: That is actually really insightful wisdom that you had there about the fact that it's maybe nothing to do with you, or it's just circumstances and sometimes we take it all on, right?

Chris Garcia: Yeah.

Japhet De Oliveira: Yeah. Good. Change is constant. Right. Okay. So where next after 60?

Chris Garcia: 65.

Japhet De Oliveira: All right. Share one word that you could use to describe your entire past and then unpack it. So just one word, this is your life so far, and what does that mean?

Chris Garcia: One word?

Japhet De Oliveira: Yeah.

Chris Garcia: So the word that comes to mind, it might not be exactly what you're looking for here, but we're going to go for it. My wife introduced me to this philosophy and it piggybacks on what we just talked about a little bit, this philosophy of things being rigged in your favor, but at the time you don't necessarily see that it's rigged in your favor. So it's that silver lining. And so rigged.

Japhet De Oliveira: I like it.

Chris Garcia: And I think the reason is I just feel so blessed to be where I am right now in my life, in my career, in my family. There's hardship, there's scars from the past. There's wounds and things and everybody goes through things, but if you take a second and sit back and think about, wow, at the time that didn't feel great, but then you fast-forward a little bit, you're like, that was actually rigged in my favor because X, right?

And so piggyback on the baseball story, I got started coaching that spring. So I was cut from Sacramento State. I had a head coach from a local high school call me, say, "Hey, do you want to join the coaching staff? I heard what just happened. You'd be a huge asset to the team." And it was amazing. And at the time you're thinking, "I don't really want to do this. I actually don't even really want to be around the game right now." But I did. And when I look back at that now, wow, that was-

Japhet De Oliveira: Pivotal.

Chris Garcia: That was pivotal. It was rigged in my favor to have an opportunity to go coach and learn that I really enjoy coaching and pass that on to my kids as I get to have the opportunity to coach them in different sports or things like that. So yeah.

Japhet De Oliveira: That's really good. I like it. Good wisdom from your wife to you, to us.

Chris Garcia: Yeah.

Japhet De Oliveira: All right. All right. Where next after that, the 65?

Chris Garcia: 68.

Japhet De Oliveira: 68. All right. If you could learn one new professional skill, what would that be?

Chris Garcia: I think it's the EQ side of leadership. I would consider myself to have a pretty solid emotional intelligence currently. But I think as I look at the generations that are coming up into the workforce and thinking, okay, I'm 15 years into my career, got another 20 plus. There's multiple generations that are going to be joining the workforce, right?

Japhet De Oliveira: That's true.

Chris Garcia: And there's social media that's around now, podcasts and things like that. And just being able to connect on a level with these early career associates that are coming into the workforce and in, well now, 3, 5, 10 years from now. Being able to really hone that skill to continue to build relationships with our associates and our early career associates as they come into the workforce. I think that's one thing that I would. I guess I'm forecasting a little bit, but.

Japhet De Oliveira: No, I like it. I like it. I mean, in many ways you have to have EQ to recognize that you need EQ more, right? Some people don't have EQ are like, "Oh." So seeing that is actually great and preparing for the future. Yeah. Next generations all require change. Yeah, it's good. Thank you. All right, where next?

Chris Garcia: What was that one?

Japhet De Oliveira: 68.

Chris Garcia: All right. 70.

Japhet De Oliveira: 70. Tell us about one thing that you're determined to accomplish.

Chris Garcia: I am determined to accomplish our epic transition.

Japhet De Oliveira: Yeah. Next two years.

Chris Garcia: In the next two years.

Japhet De Oliveira: That's great. Yeah. What do you think? All right, here's a little insight. Tell us a little insight. What is the biggest hurdles that you think we're going to face for this transition to be smooth?

Chris Garcia: Yeah. Well, smooth's going to be a relative term.

Japhet De Oliveira: Yes, it is.

Chris Garcia: I think one of the biggest hurdles we're going to face is just the amount of transformation that we want or we need within our organization. So we're a big organization.

Japhet De Oliveira: Huge.

Chris Garcia: And there's several patients that depend on us every day. Several million patients that depend on us every day. And so I think we have to transform with this program being the momentum or the catalyst or whatever term you want to use. We need to capitalize on that momentum and make some significant changes in how we care for patients and care for our clinicians and our employees. I mean, it can be really end-to-end transformation, and I'm really encouraged by what could happen there. But it's going to be a challenge. That's hard to do. That's not something you just write down a nice thing on a piece of paper and everybody's like, "Yeah, we're doing that."

Japhet De Oliveira: I will say this just because people don't know this about you, but I've been able to observe you in these meetings, these pivotal leadership meetings of talking about the Epic journey. And I love the passion you have. I love the authenticity of like, hey, you care about the entire scale. And as you said, patient, doctor, everything. It's like everybody's affected by it. So it's a big thing. So it's fantastic. It's good.

Chris Garcia: I appreciate that.

Japhet De Oliveira: I have confidence.

Chris Garcia: I appreciate that.

Japhet De Oliveira: All right, we have time for two more. Final two numbers.

Chris Garcia: Final two numbers.

Japhet De Oliveira: Yeah.

Chris Garcia: Okay. Well, all right, let's just do it. We're going to go, we're going to 80.

Japhet De Oliveira: 80. Okay.

Chris Garcia: And then 100 is supposed to be the hardest question?

Japhet De Oliveira: It is.

Chris Garcia: Okay. So we'll go 80 and then 100. How about that? Let's just see what it is.

Japhet De Oliveira: All right, 80. How would you like to change in the future?

Chris Garcia: How would I like to change in the future?

Japhet De Oliveira: Yeah. Yeah.

Chris Garcia: I'll think about this from a personal side, as a father. I've mentioned, but just really trying to be present in the time that I have with my family and try and limit distractions. It's so easy to be distracted these days and think about work and especially in this kind of new landscape of work from home. For me, I got to come to the office every day. I enjoy the 20 to 25 minute commute home. It gives me time to decompress, think about being family, but I still tend to get distracted at home.

And so as I think about the short term of what's coming in the next couple of years, there's going to be a lot of stress, a lot of hours put in. And so just being very intentional about being present with the kids, with my wife, with my family as a whole. It's important. It's tough being a father, but it's important to make sure you spend that time.

Japhet De Oliveira: All right, I'm going to ask you.

Chris Garcia: We only had time for two questions.

Japhet De Oliveira: No, this is the bonus. 80A. I've never seen you distracted at work. I mean, I've worked with you a few times, seen you in different meetings and you were like zeroed in. You're focused, you know exactly what you're doing. So why are you distracted as a father?

Chris Garcia: So I started to touch on this. I think it's easy to be distracted. We talked about social media. We talked about just everything at our fingertips. We've got phones, iPads, laptops, your watch goes off. I mean, you name it, you can be distracted. And so there are times where you have a stressful day at work, you get home and you're thinking about how do you decompress. And sometimes just that mindless scrolling, but recognizing that that's completely pulling you away from what's happening in the room. You might not even be engaging with what's on the screen, but you're distracted by the screen. And so I'm guilty, I've done it.

Japhet De Oliveira: You along with millions.

Chris Garcia: Right. Right. I actually just deleted the social media apps.

Japhet De Oliveira: Did you really?

Chris Garcia: We were on vacation last week. I mentioned that at the beginning and I just said, "You know what?"

Japhet De Oliveira: So it's not in the future for you. You're doing it right now.

Chris Garcia: I'm doing it right now.

Japhet De Oliveira: Yeah, because that's where I was going to go next. Yeah.

Chris Garcia: We're changing now. But yeah, I think it's just so easy to be distracted and it's just so important to be present.

Japhet De Oliveira: That is a good word for everyone. Good word for everyone. You're not alone. That's good. Thank you for sharing that. All right. You want question 100?

Chris Garcia: The hardest question on the list. Let's see where we go.

Japhet De Oliveira: All right. Give me a question that you don't want to answer.

Chris Garcia: Oh.

Japhet De Oliveira: Yeah.

Chris Garcia: Maybe just don't ask me why it took so long for me to figure out that I need to be present in my kid's life.

Japhet De Oliveira: That is a good. It had crossed my mind. It had crossed my mind. So Chris, you along with millions of other parents who have had to come to that realization, they need to be more present. Why did it take you so long?

Chris Garcia: I knew you were going to ask. I've talked about my kids, so I have four, two of them, 13 and 11, and then I've got the four- and 2-year-old.

Japhet De Oliveira: And so that explains the whole schooling routine. I was trying to work that out of my head. I'm like, "Okay, all right."

Chris Garcia: So yeah, we've got a little bit of a gap there. And the two older ones are from a previous marriage. And so think back to, take 13 years off my life when my daughter was born, first child. Not as mature as I am now, but thinking about my four- and 2-year-old, and wow, how many things could I just, not drastically change, but just tweak a little bit in my interactions with them. Or maybe not be so frustrated with tears or things that as a father that you're like, "I'm supposed to be able to fix everything and I cannot fix why you don't want to put those shoes on. I just can't figure that out."

But I think you think about how fast the time goes. Or maybe not even think about, it's probably not think about. It's probably, I've felt how fast the time goes and knowing that four and two is a long but quick stage and then the next thing you know, you're talking about high school and what that's going to look like in a year. And you think about college is next, and just how fast that time really goes when you reflect. And so being able to reflect back and say, "Wow, don't let that time just go. Don't let it just pass."

Japhet De Oliveira: Absolutely.

Chris Garcia: Enjoy every moment. I'm a country music fan.

Japhet De Oliveira: Okay, good.

Chris Garcia: There's a Darius Rucker song. I'm not sure if you're familiar with Darius Rucker, but "it won't be like this for long.: And there's been multiple times where it's played in my head when it's tough. It's tough being a parent.

Japhet De Oliveira: Yes, it is.

Chris Garcia: And just recognize it won't be like this for long and don't wish that time away and just embrace it because next thing you know, it's gone. That time's gone and you're worried about whatever the teenage years bring. And then are they going to ever get a job? Is my son ever going to figure out how to make his bed?

Japhet De Oliveira: Let me know how that goes for you. We're all in the same space. Hey Chris, that is a good word. That's a good word, and encouraging word for parents as well because not all of us get a second chance or a third chance or fourth chance. You've got four chances. It's a good word. It's a good reminder that you can do something today and that's fantastic. So thank you for sharing that.

Chris Garcia: Yeah.

Japhet De Oliveira: Yeah. Hey, I want to encourage people to do the same thing that you and I just did right now. Just sit down with somebody that you know a little bit or don't know at all, a stranger. Get to know them, ask them questions. We learn a lot from each other. We become better beings for it. God blesses us and we are blessed. And so I think it's a good thing to do and I want to encourage people to do that. So thanks again, Chris.

Chris Garcia: Yeah. Thank you.

Japhet De Oliveira: God bless you.

Chris Garcia: Thanks for having me.

Japhet De Oliveira: And bless everybody else as well.

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