Don Dyer
Episode 110

Narrator: Welcome friends, to another episode of The Story and Experience Podcast. Join your host, Japhet De Oliveira with his guest today, and discover the moments that shape us, our families and communities.

Japhet De Oliveira: Hey, welcome friends to another episode of The Story and Experience Podcast. If you're brand new, I have 100 questions and they progressively become more vulnerable and open and closer we get to 100, and they're about stories and experiences that shape you into the person that you are. So, I have a guest today, and they're smiling, which is again, every time they smile, it's a really good sign this is going to go well. So, we'll begin with question number one. I'll ask the first 10, and then I'll hand over to you. Could you tell us your name and does anybody ever spell it wrong or mispronounce it?

Don Dyer: My name is Don Dyer. Yes, it gets spelled wrong and mispronounced. Dwyer is probably the most common mispronouncing, but it is Dyer.

Japhet De Oliveira: Dyer. Dyer. Very, very serious.

Don Dyer: Yes.

Japhet De Oliveira: That's good. Don, what do you do for work?

Don Dyer: I lead the internal audit team here at Adventist Health. Do you want to hear a little bit about what the team does?

Japhet De Oliveira: I do. Internal audit. Yeah.

Don Dyer: Yes. It sounds scary.

Japhet De Oliveira: Yeah, it is.

Don Dyer: But it's not. We're very great, nice people. I love my team. We serve out of Roseville as a shared service, but work with market leaders and get to really spend time focusing on... We're like internal consultants, advisory as well as auditing that things are accurate. So, the curiosity part of the Adventist Health values is very important to us. We let that be our guide, and get to work with people in a lot of different areas of finance, IT, pharmacy, a long list, but I like the broad variety of what we do.

Japhet De Oliveira: Yeah. Now, I have to tell the guests, because you can't see Don, but he dresses absolutely impeccable, impeccably, and lots of flare and style. I would never place those two together with auditing. Has anybody ever said that to you, Don?

Don Dyer: Yes. Auditing, I think, is considered to be boring. I remember once at a conference, we were to guess what a partner sitting at the table, what sort of music they liked. The woman that was next to me guessed classical music. Actually at the time, hard rock was more my style. Yes. We're a little unpredictable about it sometimes.

Japhet De Oliveira: That's great. You enjoy it?

Don Dyer: Yes, I do.

Japhet De Oliveira: How long have you been in that role or in auditing?

Don Dyer: I've been auditing... My career with Adventist Health is about 34 years this summer.

Japhet De Oliveira: No.

Don Dyer: Yes.

Japhet De Oliveira: Wow.

Don Dyer: Its been an interesting journey, and many of those years in audit, not all of it, but many. I've really appreciated the chance to visit our markets and get to see the... That's what's kept me at the organization, is getting to see the mission in action.

Japhet De Oliveira: When Don mentions markets, what he's referring to is, for our listeners, that it's the hospitals and clinics in different locations across the entire west coast of America. So, yeah. Yeah, that's great. That's great. Don, let me ask you this. When you wake up in the morning, drink of the day, do you start off with water, coffee, tea? You're drinking something now, what's that?

Don Dyer: This is water.

Japhet De Oliveira: Water.

Don Dyer: Water in a coffee cup.

Japhet De Oliveira: Water in a coffee... Deceptive. Deceptive.

Don Dyer: A good deception. Water is what I usually start my day with.

Japhet De Oliveira: Yeah. Just tap water, cold?

Don Dyer: Yeah. Tap water. May supplement it with something, but usually I'll have a smidge of coffee somewhere during the day, but-

Japhet De Oliveira: That's awesome.

Don Dyer: ... limited.

Japhet De Oliveira: That's awesome. Now, where were you born?

Don Dyer: I was born in Fresno, California.

Japhet De Oliveira: You've been back, obviously?

Don Dyer: Yeah. My parents moved when I was one, a little further north in the Central Valley to the Modesto area of California, and then have lived most of my life here in the Sierra Foothills.

Japhet De Oliveira: Now, when you were a little child, what did you imagine you would grow up to be?

Don Dyer: Probably a cowboy.

Japhet De Oliveira: Really?

Don Dyer: I was interested in being-

Japhet De Oliveira: That's great.

Don Dyer: ... a cowboy. Yeah. For a variety of reasons. I think I've last ridden a horse that was probably about 40 years ago. They're too unpredictable for me.

Japhet De Oliveira: That's fantastic. If people were to describe your personality, would they say you are an introvert or an extrovert? Would you agree with them?

Don Dyer: I see myself more as an ambivert almost, I have tendencies of both. I really feed off of conversations and meaningful interactions with people, and that's part of what's fun about audit, is getting to meet so many people in the organization and work with them to help.

Japhet De Oliveira: While they're sweating beads.

Don Dyer: I always forget about that. I have to remind myself, nobody likes to be audited. So, I really feed off that. But then also I have the introvert side, that when I get home in the evening it's like I just want to crash sometimes. Or if I've had a really feeding day of talking with people, I need some real downtime and time with just quiet in the house with the pets or something like that. Go outside, get some exercise.

Japhet De Oliveira: Hey, that's good. That's good. Habits, are you an early riser or late night owl?

Don Dyer: A mix of both. When I think early, I'm thinking 4:30 or 5:00. That's not me. I'm usually about 6:00, 6:45. Night can depend. It could be 10:00, it could be midnight.

Japhet De Oliveira: All right. So, maybe more of a late night owl.

Don Dyer: Yeah.

Japhet De Oliveira: Yeah. Okay. That's good. That's good. This morning when you woke up, first thought that went through your mind?

Don Dyer: I've got to meet with Japhet on his podcast.

Japhet De Oliveira: Oh, come on. Well, okay. That's good. That's good. Okay. Here's the last one, and then I'm going to hand over to you. It's a leadership question. Are you a backseat driver?

Don Dyer: My wife would say yes. Yeah. I try not to be, I try to hold my tongue. But, yeah. I do find myself... And if I translate that to the work environment, I do get excited and passionate when we're talking and brainstorming about things. I have to be intentional to close my mouth and let my team talk too or encourage them to talk. But, yeah. I think I definitely can be a backseat driver, especially if we're back in the driving mode and if I see something that looks like we might be getting in an accident, I tend to mention things.

Japhet De Oliveira: Hey, that's okay. But being self-aware is part of the secret, right?

Don Dyer: Yep.

Japhet De Oliveira: Yeah. Yeah, it's good. All right. The floor is open, Don. Where'd you want to go? 11 to 100?

Don Dyer: This is an adventure.

Japhet De Oliveira: Yes, it is.

Don Dyer: I've got a list of all my favorite San Francisco 49'er players through the years, so we're going to start with number 13.

Japhet De Oliveira: Just help me understand. Do they have any hope in the Super Bowl?

Don Dyer: I think they do. Hope.

Japhet De Oliveira: Okay. All right.

Don Dyer: There's some strong competition.

Japhet De Oliveira: All right then. All right.

Don Dyer: So, we'll start with number 13.

Japhet De Oliveira: Number 13. I like how you chose these numbers. All right. Walk us through the ideal end of day for you. Come to the end of the day, what would be the ideal end of day for you?

Don Dyer: I live about 35 minutes away from work, so letting work erase my mind on the way home is great. This time of year, the days are shorter, but getting outside, going for a walk, something like that is useful. Quiet time, like I mentioned earlier, is a priority. But also just time to catch up with my wife, be with the dog, that type of thing is really good. We have an adult son that's living with us right now, and so it's nice to catch up with him as well. So, some good family time is a great end of the day.

Japhet De Oliveira: Good. That's good. All right that was 13, sir.

Don Dyer: 16.

Japhet De Oliveira: 16, okay. Oh, tell us about one of the places you've traveled and why you want to go back.

Don Dyer: Okay. Yeah. Love travel. I don't know if we'll get to a question like that, but that is-

Japhet De Oliveira: Do you like travel international, national?

Don Dyer: Both.

Japhet De Oliveira: Both, okay.

Don Dyer: Yeah. Before kids, we traveled more than we have since. Had a few neat trips with our kids as they got older too. But Africa was probably the most mind-blowing type of experience for me.

Japhet De Oliveira: Which country did you go to?

Don Dyer: Zambia and Zimbabwe.

Japhet De Oliveira: Oh, nice.

Don Dyer: It was just a little transit through South Africa. But just circling at Victoria Falls and Zimbabwe on this little airplane and getting ready... It really looked like, the terrain outside looked very similar to here around our corporate office in the summertime. Dry, trees didn't look... Looked similar to our oak trees. It looked very similar. Then as the airplane was circling, I saw some elephants off in the distance.

Japhet De Oliveira: You thought, not the same.

Don Dyer: Yeah, not the same. I was just totally... Jet lag was gone. It was just on the go, and we were there out in tents and stuff for a couple of weeks. It was really exciting.

Japhet De Oliveira: That's fantastic.

Don Dyer: Yeah.

Japhet De Oliveira: Oh, that's really good. What do you want to do after 16?

Don Dyer: 23.

Japhet De Oliveira: 23. All right. Tell us about the most outdated piece of technology that you have and you still use on a regular basis.

Don Dyer: I'm a chronic note taker, so I still do use pen and pencil a lot when I am in a meeting where I can't just take my laptop and I don't feel comfortable banging away, typing notes in the midst of a meeting. So, I'll take a pad of paper and still use a pen regularly just for reference. My mind just doesn't retain everything that I want it to, so it gives me reference points to go back to.

Japhet De Oliveira: Oh, that's fantastic. Yeah. I love the pen and paper as well. It's old school and it's fun.

Don Dyer: It is.

Japhet De Oliveira: Yeah, it's great. All right. Helps me remember.

Don Dyer: Yeah.

Japhet De Oliveira: Yeah. All right. Where next?

Don Dyer: Number 33.

Japhet De Oliveira: 33. I'm going to have to look up these players.

Don Dyer: This is Roger Craig.

Japhet De Oliveira: Okay. Of course, you know the names. The authenticity of the selection.

Don Dyer: Right.

Japhet De Oliveira: Tell us about the best gift you've ever given someone else.

Don Dyer: One that comes to mind. It was a series of gifts. But on our fifth, I think it was our fifth wedding anniversary, just did a series of an overnight stay, and planned a Phantom of the Opera event in San Francisco-

Japhet De Oliveira: Oh, nice.

Don Dyer: ... and a good dinner in Sacramento before we left town. Totally surprised my wife throughout the couple of nights or days that we were gone. So, that's a special one of memory. It was a lot of fun. Unique opportunity.

Japhet De Oliveira: Did you plan the whole thing?

Don Dyer: Yeah.

Japhet De Oliveira: Oh, yeah.

Don Dyer: I can't remember what... I told her something about something very basic to pack. But then, yeah. Planned it so that it felt like it was one day and then I had a bonus day in there that she wasn't aware of either.

Japhet De Oliveira: That's great.

Don Dyer: It was fun.

Japhet De Oliveira: That's good. Do you still do stuff like that, Don? This is on record.

Don Dyer: Yes. Not as much, but yes.

Japhet De Oliveira: That's good.

Don Dyer: We were blessed to have family in the area as we raised our children, and so both sets of grandparents were nearby.

Japhet De Oliveira: Nice.

Don Dyer: So, we really made a strategic and intentional effort to get a weekend away, to have time together throughout our marriage.

Japhet De Oliveira: How long have you guys been married?

Don Dyer: It is going to be 35 years this-

Japhet De Oliveira: Congratulations.

Don Dyer: ... this September. So, it's 34 now.

Japhet De Oliveira: Congratulations.

Don Dyer: Thank you.

Japhet De Oliveira: That's pretty good. Well done. That's fantastic. Good. All right. Those are bonus questions. All right, what number next?

Don Dyer: Number 42.

Japhet De Oliveira: 42. All right. When you think about your phone, tell us the story behind the photo on your cell phone.

Don Dyer: Well, that's an interesting one because I'm using a rotating wallpaper at the moment. So, every day it comes up with a different picture, but it's from my photo roll.

Japhet De Oliveira: Nice.

Don Dyer: I chose landscape and family, and so I love the spontaneity of it. I think yesterday was some pictures from Arizona where we went and visited my parents last year. But sometimes it might be a child, my wife, a pet or something like that. So, I like the spontaneity, but it does tend to feed in that interest that I have of travel where a lot of memories-

Japhet De Oliveira: And curiosities.

Don Dyer: And curiosities.

Japhet De Oliveira: Yeah. Hey, that's great. That's great. All right, that was 42.

Don Dyer: Okay. I'm going to take a big jump out of the lower digits and go to 80 now.

Japhet De Oliveira: I'm very happy with his players. All right.

Don Dyer: Jerry Rice is this person, you might've heard of him.

Japhet De Oliveira: Well, we'll see afterwards. How would you like to change in the future?

Don Dyer: Wow. That is a very good question. A passion of mine is to be encouraging to others, whether it's my family, my friends, my colleagues at work, and I think God has given me grace to do that at times. It's an area that I would like to further grow upon. It has a nice connection to what I do in work, in that when you do an audit, sometimes you find things or issues that people need to work on or resolve, or something to improve process. Really like to be encouraging in that. I like to be encouraging with the good things that people are doing, because so many folks do excellent work every day to keep our company safe.

But that encouragement theme is something that sometimes I find it easier to do with people I don't know. Maybe somebody at a grocery store or whatever. I think I get a lot of pleasure out of doing that, brightening someone's day. But sometimes I forget to take that home as well, I might be able to do it all day at work or maybe with others. So, just setting the bar for myself higher, I think, to be more of an encouragement to others-

Japhet De Oliveira: That's good.

Don Dyer: ... all the time, and my family, and not leave them out.

Japhet De Oliveira: Well, it is a wonderful thing to be in that place to be able to lift others up. So, that's good.

Don Dyer: Yeah. The Barnabas character in the Bible, I've always identified with because of his part of the story with Paul. So, that's personal mission.

Japhet De Oliveira: Do you have people in your life that are incredible people that encourage you as well?

Don Dyer: Yes. Yeah. My dad. Blessed to have my dad still alive. He's been a great... As my mom has as well. But my dad has been just an excellent... Has amazing faith, just really appreciate that aspect of his life, that speaks into mine as well. I aspire to someday have faith like his.

Japhet De Oliveira: All right. I've got to ask. You said your dad has amazing faith. Do you know how or why he does?

Don Dyer: Yes. I think I do. He had very little growing up as a child. His parents', mom had a third grade education, I think his dad was seventh grade education. So, it came from that and went on, became a school teacher and had a successful career. But as life has dealt challenges or hardships, I think he has clung to God and seen God. He always catches those God winks those things in life and points them out to others. So, I think his faith has just grown tremendously from looking for those opportunities that God provides, of something special that happened that sometimes we take for granted or could have been a little mini miracle and we don't even recognize it. So, he has used that to strengthen his faith, and he has a very faithful time in devotional studies and that type of thing every day, that I think help keep him inspired.

Japhet De Oliveira: Yeah. That's beautiful. Thank you for sharing that. That was 80, right?

Don Dyer: Yes.

Japhet De Oliveira: 80. So, where next?

Don Dyer: 85.

Japhet De Oliveira: 85. All right. Oh, describe a role model you aspire to be like.

Don Dyer: Oh, no. We touched on that one. So, since I mentioned my dad, I won't be-

Japhet De Oliveira: But it's nice.

Don Dyer: ... duplicative. Yeah, I would say that, but I will move on to a different role model. Early in my career I had some amazing bosses, and so I don't want to discount any of them. I had three different individuals, three different women as bosses in the first eight years that I was here at Adventist Health, and learned a tremendous amount from them in the way of being detailed and the way of being organized, and pragmatic and taking all the challenges as they come. So, great things there. Then I had a stint of, I don't know how many years it was now, probably 14 or 15, with Doug Reebok, who was our chief financial officer from the early days of the system, until about seven or eight years ago.

Doug was just an amazing leader that was able to be technically strong, extremely bright, managing the challenges of a health system's finances. But then when he would come and visit in my area and come by the cubicles of my staff, he knew people's names, he asked them questions about their family. The stuff that he remembered, that was just an amazing gift. So, that to me is someone to aspire after. Hard to do. We're also busy when we go rushing through our days, but he had a real ability to somehow balance business and have people interactions at the same time. A real gift.

Japhet De Oliveira: That is a real gift, that is a real gift and a real blessing for people.

Don Dyer: Yeah.

Japhet De Oliveira: Yeah. Fantastic. All right. Where would you like to go next?

Don Dyer: Number 87.

Japhet De Oliveira: 87. All right. When you're under incredible stress, where do you go or what helps you to ground you?

Don Dyer: Getting outside is something that is very beneficial for me. I love the mountains, I love getting out exercising. So, probably one thing that I noticed, especially during the COVID years when we were trapped at home and feeling isolated, working still of course with our teams, but I found especially, during the summertime when the days were longer, joining a couple of friends and going for a mountain bike ride on a Friday afternoon was just... No matter how stressful the week might've been, had a way of just washing away... Maybe it was the intensity, the excitement. It can be a dangerous sport.

Japhet De Oliveira: It can be.

Don Dyer: That adrenaline rush, all those different things would have a way of resetting my brain so that I could actually go into the weekend with family time, other times and erase that. I've also found that, just back to the model of my dad, intentionally having some time of thought and reflection, for me it's the mornings, is a great way for me to start my day no matter what the challenges might be or might've been from the day before. Just to realize where my source of strength comes from, and that's God in my life. sometimes you're clinging to that time, just like, I need to make it through the day. Then other times it's like, yep, that's where my strength came from, and you're more in a cruising mode. But those are two things that definitely have helped, exercise and-

Japhet De Oliveira: Spending time.

Don Dyer: Spending time. Yeah.

Japhet De Oliveira: That's pretty good. That's beautiful. Thank you. All right. Where next?

Don Dyer: I ran out of my list.

Japhet De Oliveira: Oh, that's good. So, now it's actually open, even more open. Does that mean that there are no more great... I'm not suggesting. I thought teams were large, right?

Don Dyer: I was going to go with Steve Young who was number eight, but that was already part of your initial questions.

Japhet De Oliveira: All right. So, which number is next?

Don Dyer: Let's try 47.

Japhet De Oliveira: 47. All right. You just met someone. What do you want them to know about you and why?

Don Dyer: I guess a lot of who I am is my family and my relationships. As I mentioned, I've been married a long time. My wife and I started dating at a pretty young age in high school, so we were very connected in that regard.

Japhet De Oliveira: Grew up together then.

Don Dyer: Grew up together very much. Then having children. We dated for seven years, we were married for seven years and then we decided maybe we want to have kids. So, after 14 years together.

Japhet De Oliveira: I think there's a bible story about that.

Don Dyer: Yeah. There are some perfect numbers, I guess there was seven. So, my kids and their lives are very important, so that's something that I would want to tell somebody, just by way of introduction possibly. My work, I do value Adventist Health a lot, as you brought out earlier. I've been here a long time and gotten to see a lot of changes, and just really value what we do and what all our caregivers do and all the people that support the caregivers, ultimately serving those patients out in a broad variety of different communities and different settings and home care. I spent some time working in home care earlier in my career here at Adventist Health, and really appreciate what they do.

Japhet De Oliveira: They're amazing. We have an amazing team here as well, but they're all amazing.

Don Dyer: Yeah. I mean a lot of what we are is our family and our work. I spend much more time here at work with work folks than I do it with my family, typically, through a career. Both those are important parts of-

Japhet De Oliveira: They really are. All right. Where next then?

Don Dyer: Let's do 52.

Japhet De Oliveira: 52. All right. Share what motivates you.

Don Dyer: I am a perfectionist, so that's a poor motivator in my opinion. I recognize that in myself and probably therapy and other things if they point that out to me. That's in the background. But I really like getting things done, getting them done well, accurately, having a story to tell. In the work that I'm involved in, we do all of our work and then the end is we switch into your mode and what your job is in storytelling. How do we tell the story of what we've looked at and reviewed and interviews we've done, and how do we tell that in a meaningful way? So, storytelling is an important part of what we do. But for me, probably the biggest thing is accomplishing goals. That goal setting side, or goal achieving side of me loves that. But also giving the grace when things are not going as you expected and you're not meeting deadlines.

Then extending that grace to the people that we work with too, or that I work with is important. Because yes, I am goal oriented, but sometimes the wheels just come off, maybe with someone that we're auditing. They were supposed to get us some information this week, but now X, Y, and Z has happened. Being able to flex and bend in an appropriate way with other people's timing and issues to give them some extra time if needed to respond, those are all important things for me. But accomplishing goals is... And curiosity again, I really enjoy learning about different things and I've been blessed in the last six or eight years of my career to get to look into a lot of different areas and work in different spaces of the business in audit work that just always... Getting to learn more about the organization, which is great.

Japhet De Oliveira: That's pretty good. When you set goals, do you sometimes set goals that you've even accomplished or do you set goals that you're just like, I'm going to achieve this?

Don Dyer: You mean setting ones that we've accomplished-

Japhet De Oliveira: Yeah. Like, oh, these are 10 things I want to do. I've done half of them kind of, I'm going to write them all out and I'm going to just check them off for myself as well. Or do you like goals that seem impossible and so far-fetched that you're going to get them?

Don Dyer: Probably more the former, not as much the impossible. I think that's part of my makeup and liking of predictability. Being able to plan and organize and try and make something come, be done well and come to fruition in a timely manner. The unpredictable or those goals that are a lot less known, I would say I do less of that and more tracking of goals that I'm going to achieve, or something of that nature.

Japhet De Oliveira: Good. Good. All right. Where next, sir?

Don Dyer: Let's go 45.

Japhet De Oliveira: 45. All right. When people come to you for help, what are they usually asking for, Don? More time. More time.

Don Dyer: More time. That is part of it. Its been interesting too, as we've gotten to collaborate more with other leaders through our audit work and around different areas of business that they function in, being more of a consultant has been something, I would say newer in the last five or 10 years for me. I appreciate that because to me that indicates people are valuing my opinion or what we can bring to the table to help them in their journey with their team. So, probably sometimes asked for advice would be a more frequent thing. Possibly sometimes we end up being facilitators more than anything. It's like, okay. We know that this team is doing these types of services, this other team is doing something else that relates to it, they're having challenges, let's connect the two together so that they can learn. Or maybe they're conflicting and they need to hash it out and we'll... Not that we're a referee, I don't mean that in that form at all, but just to help-

Japhet De Oliveira: Solve it.

Don Dyer: ... help solve and pull together commonalities, common issues. Always with risk in the background, assessing whether there's too much risk that's being generated from a particular activity, or way of doing something. But really trying to facilitate people working together to solve challenges or issues.

Japhet De Oliveira: That's good. That's good. All right. We have time for two more.

Don Dyer: Two more.

Japhet De Oliveira: Where now?

Don Dyer: Let's drop back one and go to 44.

Japhet De Oliveira: All right. 44. What is something that you are proud to have created?

Don Dyer: That's a very challenging one. I'm very proud of my children, but I didn't create them. God did. So, I won't go there. Probably from a work perspective, a creation that I wouldn't say I would give God credit here as well, but when I first came to Adventist Health, I didn't want to work here actually at the time. I'd worked as a student worker in high school and college and I wanted to go work in public accounting and that environment. But I ended up getting a job to come and start my career at Adventist Health as an internal auditor out of college. Ironically, and that I didn't want to work here. I interviewed at a lot of other firms but I started here, and then over the next, well, over about a 14, 15 year timeframe in my career, I got to do college recruiting to pull new graduates onto our internal audit team, and hired approximately 50 people during that time.

Japhet De Oliveira: That's great. That's great.

Don Dyer: So, to me that is something that... What was the original question again?

Japhet De Oliveira: What are you proud to have created?

Don Dyer: Proud to create. I didn't really create anything, but that's something that I'm most proud about, and seeing all those people grow and develop, some of which I've stayed in touch with, some of which I haven't.

Japhet De Oliveira: That's great.

Don Dyer: Watching their careers grow, and many are still here at Adventist Health, which is rewarding to see them on a day to day basis. But then others are at other health systems and other careers. But that's probably something that I'm most proud, in creating that recruiting structure back in the day.

Japhet De Oliveira: That's beautiful. Right. Last one, sir. What number?

Don Dyer: Let's try 32.

Japhet De Oliveira: 32. All right. If you were featured on the local news, what would the news story be?

Don Dyer: It would probably have to do with my mountain biking and accidents. Yeah. I broke-

Japhet De Oliveira: Are you downhill or you like...

Don Dyer: Yeah. Well, I do cross country, but I enjoy... The uphills are just so you can enjoy the downhills really. I'm not one of those real animals that just loves climbing. That's not my favorite bit.

Japhet De Oliveira: Do you jump on your bike?

Don Dyer: I try not to, but I did have a crash a year before last and broke my back in two places.

Japhet De Oliveira: Are you serious?

Don Dyer: Yeah. Compression fractures.

Japhet De Oliveira: Oh, my goodness.

Don Dyer: Not that that's newsworthy, but it is with... My wife would probably say that's my biggest problem that could cause some news.

Japhet De Oliveira: Yeah. Yeah. So, what do you think the story would be about, your bike crashes? Do you have a lot of bike crashes, Don? Have you thought about another thing?

Don Dyer: She would probably like me, my wife would, to try something a bit different. But I have gotten more cautious since the accident.

Japhet De Oliveira: What does cautious look like? You go less frequently?

Don Dyer: Just try to seriously avoid things that look like they're going to be a jump. I wasn't paying a full attention, but got to encounter healthcare from the inside for a scary day or so.

Japhet De Oliveira: Yeah. Well, I'm glad you're fine. Glad you're fine.

Don Dyer: Thank you.

Japhet De Oliveira: Don, it has been a privilege to have this conversation with you. Thank you so much for taking your time and for sharing.

Don Dyer: You're welcome.

Japhet De Oliveira: Yeah. Its been great. I want to encourage people to do the same. A coffee cup with some water in it, or a cup of tea. Sit down, meet someone, ask them good questions. We all learn something great. We all grow from it. We actually are better people because of it. So, thank you so much, Don.

Don Dyer: Super. You're welcome.

Japhet De Oliveira: Yeah. And blessings to everybody else and we'll connect again on another podcast.

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