Jeremy Clay
Episode 90

Narrator: Welcome friends to another episode of The Story & Experience Podcast. Join your host, Japhet De Oliveira with his guest today and discover the moments that shape us, our families and communities.

Japhet De Oliveira: Hey, welcome friends to another episode of The Story & Experience Podcast. I'm here at Adventist Health Ukiah and very excited to be able to introduce you to this particular guest in a second. If you're brand new to this podcast, I just want to explain that we have a hundred questions. They become more vulnerable the closer you get to a hundred. They are about stories and experience that shaped this particular person sitting across the table from me right now into the life that they are right now. He looked like he was going to clear his throat there. You're good, okay. All right. So let's begin with the very first question. What's your name and does anybody ever mispronounce it?

Dr. Jeremy Clay: Well, my name is Dr. Jeremy Clay. Not too much. I was the cheesy person, when they put your name on, how do you pronounce your name, and I just would write it and say it sounds like it's spelled.

Japhet De Oliveira: Yeah, that's fantastic. That's good. Good for you. So Jeremy, what do you do for work? I mean, you said you're a doctor.

Dr. Jeremy Clay: Yeah. So I am at Adventist Health Ukiah Valley. I work in the outpatient space and I wear probably too many hats for my own good. So I am a primary care physician. I am a residency faculty member for our local family medicine residency. I am also the medical director for my clinic site and supervise several advanced practice providers, so nurse practitioners or physician's assistants. I started from scratch and run an intensive outpatient lifestyle therapeutic change program called Live Well.

Japhet De Oliveira: So a few things.

Dr. Jeremy Clay: Just a bit.

Japhet De Oliveira: Okay. I mean that's a lot. Is it too much?

Dr. Jeremy Clay: Probably.

Japhet De Oliveira: But you still do this.

Dr. Jeremy Clay: Yeah.

Japhet De Oliveira: Yeah, yeah. You love it.

Dr. Jeremy Clay: Parts of it I love very much. Not the charting, but working with patients and making a difference for them is very well worth it.

Japhet De Oliveira: That's what I kind of guessed. I just literally met you today and I heard you speaking earlier in this conference that we're both at, Incubate, and so we snuck out for this recording.

Dr. Jeremy Clay: Indeed we did.

Japhet De Oliveira: We did. It's because you were sharing some things, I'm like, "Oh." We've got to capture some of the stories, experiences that shaped you into the leader you are. All right, let me get through the first 10 here real quick. So morning when you wake up and I heard you do some stuff, but when you wake up in the morning, first drink of the day, water, coffee, tea, liquid green smoothie?

Dr. Jeremy Clay: Coffee. I saw a study on how when it's not filtered it can raise your bad cholesterol. So I just usually drip coffee and a little bit of soy milk.

Japhet De Oliveira: That's fantastic. All right, all right. Brilliant. Then where were you born?

Dr. Jeremy Clay: I was born in Kauai, Hawaii.

Japhet De Oliveira: Really?

Dr. Jeremy Clay: Yes.

Japhet De Oliveira: When you were a child out there, what did you imagine you were going to grow up to be?

Dr. Jeremy Clay: I don't know. My dad was a physician and always looked up a ton to him, so I probably imagined myself in some sort of role like that. But I mean, like any kid at that point it changed a thousand times.

Japhet De Oliveira: Hey, that must be wonderful to be able to share that with your dad.

Dr. Jeremy Clay: Indeed. Yeah. So he does a lot of similar things to what I've done over the years. I got some of the certifications that he didn't have to back in the day.

Japhet De Oliveira: Hey, that's fantastic. Jeremy, when people describe your personality, would they describe you as an introvert or an extrovert and would you agree?

Dr. Jeremy Clay: I usually identify as a fairly extreme extrovert. I'm probably more introverted now than I was 10 years ago though.

Japhet De Oliveira: Oh, that's interesting. All right. Right. Then are you an early riser or late night owl?

Dr. Jeremy Clay: By default, a late night owl, but I'm a forced early riser.

Japhet De Oliveira: Oh you are. A forced early riser.

Dr. Jeremy Clay: Once you make it through a residency and physician type of work, you end up having to be able to get up at any and all hours of the day. With a two year old at home, everybody wakes up fairly early.

Japhet De Oliveira: Then as you were sharing earlier today, when you're taking on so many extra patients.

Dr. Jeremy Clay: Indeed.

Japhet De Oliveira: And trying to fill in the gap when your roster's already full and you still want to be able to care for others as well. So yeah, that's pretty intense.

Dr. Jeremy Clay: Indeed, yeah.

Japhet De Oliveira: Pretty intense. All right. When you woke up this morning, whether your child woke you up or whether you woke up, what was the first thought that went through your mind?

Dr. Jeremy Clay: Probably what had to go today and that was probably something of a prayer of give me the right words, because I know that I'm going to have to talk at the Incubate.

Japhet De Oliveira: Oh, okay. Well, you did very well. You did very well. So last question here and then I'm going to head over to you. It's a leadership question. Are you a backseat driver?

Dr. Jeremy Clay: I try not to be, but probably more than I want to admit.

Japhet De Oliveira: Okay, all right. Hey, that's fair. That's fair. That's great. Right, the floor is open and you get the twos between 11 and 100. Where would you like to go first?

Dr. Jeremy Clay: 15.

Japhet De Oliveira: 15, all right. What's the one thing that you always misplace?

Dr. Jeremy Clay: I would say TV remote, but that's probably not the right, the most accurate.

Japhet De Oliveira: It's not the TV remote?

Dr. Jeremy Clay: No. Usually I have a pretty good idea of where my stuff is. The key is I lose things whenever my wife chooses to rearrange something in the house.

Japhet De Oliveira: Oh, oh, oh. I don't know if this is the podcast you want her to listen to. That's going to come-

Dr. Jeremy Clay: Maybe you can get that one out.

Japhet De Oliveira: That's going to be... good luck with that one. All right, where'd you want to go after 15, up or down?

Dr. Jeremy Clay: Let's go up.

Japhet De Oliveira: Okay, which number?

Dr. Jeremy Clay: 18.

Japhet De Oliveira: 18. All right. If you had to eat just one meal for an entire month, what would you choose?

Dr. Jeremy Clay: I'd probably do a grain bowl. So you start with a nice base of some sort of whole wheat like barley and then you throw some chickpeas on it, a bunch of veggies, a ton of veggies that you can throw on it. Then I like something with a little tang, so something pickled like sauerkraut or a pickled beet and then you drizzle it with some sort of sauce, so like a vinegarette or something like that.

Japhet De Oliveira: That would actually be a great month. Good. Okay. That's great. All right. Where'd you want to go next after that, after 18?

Dr. Jeremy Clay: 25.

Japhet De Oliveira: 25, all right. Oh, share the most beautiful thing you've ever seen.

Dr. Jeremy Clay: It's pretty hard to beat a Hawaiian sunset.

Japhet De Oliveira: I agree. I agree. That's good. All right, after 25. So where next?

Dr. Jeremy Clay: 40.

Japhet De Oliveira: 40. Oh, share with us a time when you failed.

Dr. Jeremy Clay: So when I was going to apply for medical school the first time I was close, but didn't quite get in. Had to do a follow-up program that gave me a chance to kind of prove myself to get into medical school. That first kind of initial defeat was pretty tough, but I was able to kind of work through and prevailing, make it through for the next year and kind of proceeded from there to do what do what I do now.

Japhet De Oliveira: Now you've proven that you are a phenomenal doctor. This is good. This is good. Hey, that's great. That's great because some people may have stopped right there. So well done for persevering through that. That's great. After 40, where'd you want to go, up or down?

Dr. Jeremy Clay: Let's go 50.

Japhet De Oliveira: 50, okay. Share about who has influenced you professionally.

Dr. Jeremy Clay: So many people. So I have an amazing mentor. If you think I have a lot of qualifications, you should meet Dr. Brenda Ray, who is a great mentor of mine who has really put me on the path towards a lot of the lifestyle medicine and some of those things that I do and work very, very hard on where my passion is put into, just always so encouraging, the staunch advocate all the time and then really lives out what she wants to do. I really, really value authenticity, so seeing somebody that kind of works like that. Somebody that professionally has helped with development, it's really, really hard to talk about this stuff leaving my dad out because he's been by far the most influential probably in kind of professional and personal development. I mean, you never get to the point where you can work with patients and kind of give unless you kind of see it modeled, I don't think, so.

Japhet De Oliveira: That's really good. That is really good. I'm glad your dad's been such a mentor, and so is Dr. Brenda as well. That's fantastic. Does she know the value?

Dr. Jeremy Clay: I have told her before. I think she always downplays it.

Japhet De Oliveira: Your dad knows, obviously?

Dr. Jeremy Clay: Yes.

Japhet De Oliveira: Yeah, that's fantastic. Hey, that's pretty good. All right, that was 50. Where next?

Dr. Jeremy Clay: 60.

Japhet De Oliveira: 60. When in your life have you felt most alone?

Dr. Jeremy Clay: I took a year out of college. I went to a place called Walla Walla University in Washington and I did something called the student mission year. So I went to Palau out in the middle of the Pacific. It was a U.S. territory until about 1994. While there were other missionaries there, there was a few months that felt very, very alone where you're kind of in a foreign environment where you don't have the support system that you usually have and everything else. At that point is when I learned very quickly that when I lean on God, I didn't have to feel alone.

Japhet De Oliveira: That's really good. This is a bonus question. When you returned, was it easy to assimilate back?

Dr. Jeremy Clay: It was a little bit weird. It wasn't too difficult, but I noticed that the type of people that I spent time with and got to know were different. So believe it or not, my wife and I were friends for quite a few years before we ever started dating and so I integrated much more with kind of the type of people that she had been hanging out with before rather than the type of people that I had been doing more with before that.

Japhet De Oliveira: Interesting.

Dr. Jeremy Clay: It was just a-

Japhet De Oliveira: A shift.

Dr. Jeremy Clay: A shift, which made a huge difference, of course, for-

Japhet De Oliveira: You guys. Yeah.

Dr. Jeremy Clay: Yeah. For life.

Japhet De Oliveira: For your life. Hey, that's fantastic. That's really good. All right, that was question 60. So where next?

Dr. Jeremy Clay: 42.

Japhet De Oliveira: 42. All right. Tell us the story behind the background photo on your cellphone.

Dr. Jeremy Clay: Well, let me show you.

Japhet De Oliveira: Yeah, show me. Absolutely. Then describe it to everybody so we can all kind of get it. Let me see it. Oh, that's fantastic. All right.

Dr. Jeremy Clay: So the background photo on my cellphone is a picture of my son sitting in the front seat of my truck wearing a set of sunglasses with a little smirk on his face.

Japhet De Oliveira: Yeah, yeah. He's on the steering wheel. He's ready.

Dr. Jeremy Clay: Yeah, he's ready to drive. Yeah. Honestly, my family is very, very high priority. As much as the other things at work, I will sometimes I have to just cut off. When I say that it's time for bath, I got to get home and then end up coming back to work later sometimes. But it's seeing him grow and all of that has just been so amazing.

Japhet De Oliveira: Well that was one of the things you said this morning that I heard you say that I thought was really beautiful how you shared you have a full roster and yet there are some patients who just cannot find an appointment and they'd come to you and they will stay there and you add them in and then you think about your family. You want to rush home to see your family and be with them as well. I think that is a difficult balance. That's not a question on here, but I'm going to ask you, how do you balance that out?

Dr. Jeremy Clay: Poorly most of the time. Honestly, I prioritize the things that are most important and those have to come first. If you don't schedule something in and you don't do it with intentionality, it just doesn't happen. So if that's where the intention is and that's what your priority is, then you make it happen. So I make sure that those things are kept at the highest priority so I don't lose focus and get off track, or at least I try to.

Japhet De Oliveira: All right. Again, not on the sheet here, but I got to ask, what's your wish for your marriage and what's your wish for your son?

Dr. Jeremy Clay: For marriage, honestly, I just want the... I'm very blessed. My wife is amazing. She made it all the way through medical school and residency and several years now into practice with a lot of grace. So honestly I want the closeness and the intimacy to continue for life especially kind of, and to be able to be a really great support for each other. For my son, I just want him to be able to thrive and know he's loved.

Japhet De Oliveira: That's beautiful. That's beautiful. It's actually pretty big, pretty significant as well as you know. So all right, that was some bonus questions. So where's next now?

Dr. Jeremy Clay: 70.

Japhet De Oliveira: 70. Oh this is great for you. All right. I don't know how you picked this. Tell us about one thing that you were determined to accomplish.

Dr. Jeremy Clay: Probably the biggest determination was to get to the point where I could see patients independently. I did a fairly unique training program down at a place called Loma Linda University in Southern California where I was able to do a combination between family medicine, preventive medicine, and then on top of that I was able to do a training in lifestyle medicine. There's actually a board certification in that now, which I've completed. So I have three different kind of board certifications. The last year of that, and during that process I also got a master's in public health, by the way, so working 80 hours a week and going to school in the evenings. It was a little slower. It wasn't a year program, it was over a few years, but it was-

Japhet De Oliveira: Bu still.

Dr. Jeremy Clay: Still a lot of work.

Japhet De Oliveira: Perseverance.

Dr. Jeremy Clay: By that last year especially, it was just, "Somebody, please help me get through this." So during that last year, the last year of my very end of my training, it was actually the very beginning of COVID. So there was times where it's just, "Please, get me through it," and you just have to kind of buckle down with determination and do it.

Japhet De Oliveira: Yeah, that's it. Well, well done. Well done for doing that. That was great. All right, we're next after 70?

Dr. Jeremy Clay: 80.

Japhet De Oliveira: 80, how would you like to change in the future?

Dr. Jeremy Clay: I want to be more gracious with the people around me, probably. It's easy to get so locked in on the individual challenges when you feel like you've been wronged if you've been with everything. I want to forgive and suddenly I take it back. So I want to be able to be more gracious and more forgiving and show that in a way that is authentic and meaningful to them.

Japhet De Oliveira: So that must come out of a place where you've experienced that, right? Is that what's driving this?

Dr. Jeremy Clay: Yeah, probably. Honestly, it all comes back to my faith, so.

Japhet De Oliveira: Yeah, yeah. Living it. All right, that's great. Hey, that was 80. Where next?

Dr. Jeremy Clay: 90.

Japhet De Oliveira: 90, okay. Tell us about how you overcame something that was seemingly an insurmountable obstacle.

Dr. Jeremy Clay: Actually, very recent. So I told you I run this lifestyle program. When I was hired, there was one that existed that unfortunately was shut down probably as part of some of the stuff in the middle of COVID. So when I got here, trying to then figure out how to resurrect and have this thing that was so needed, part of why it was needed is because as a residency faculty, I'm trying to improve their curriculum. So they needed to have hours in some sort of more intensive way where lifestyle medicine is practiced at the top of it, kind of on the field and not just kind of integrated into a primary care clinic, which I do all day. So I had no resources, very little time to devote to it.

So I was able to carve out, with some support from some of our local administration, able to carve out some time to be able to focus on it. Then I had conversations with individuals that I thought would be good and built around that and developed all the curriculum stuff for the program based on evidence and resources. Then was able to take it to the point where we have had about 25 people go through and I have another group that started with another 25 right now.

Japhet De Oliveira: That's great.

Dr. Jeremy Clay: So to be able to start from basically nothing with roadblock after roadblock after roadblock is what it felt like to a functional kind of program, which I mean, it still feels insurmountable at times, but we have patients going through and I've seen... it has very little to do with me, a little bit, but it's when patients take what we teach them and educate them and all the support that we give them to be able to take control over their health, I just see some amazing things happen.

Japhet De Oliveira: That last part that you just shared there, for our audience of this podcast around the world, and so for those who don't know what lifestyle medicine is, you kind of just described it at the end there, but could you just recap that?

Dr. Jeremy Clay: Yeah. So lifestyle medicine is now a more recognized field that's been kind of growing over the last 20 years. It's basically integrating the best available evidence in things like nutrition and exercise physiology and stress management and proper sleep and social connections, including spiritual, and there's more, but I'm forgetting. All of those things put together to be able to address the root cause of disease that makes patients really a copilot and gives them a lot more kind of ownership over their health.

Japhet De Oliveira: That's fantastic.

Dr. Jeremy Clay: So usually that incorporates things like what the best available evidence shows is a diet that's really very, very rich in whole plant foods is much, much, much healthier for us on everything. I could bore you for days on the why.

Japhet De Oliveira: That's okay. That's good.

Dr. Jeremy Clay: Then focusing on this regular movement, physical activity. It really is meant to be a holistic approach, so I'm addressing patient's needs in multiple areas. So you can eat perfectly and never exercise and you still aren't necessarily healthy or vice versa. So it's-

Japhet De Oliveira: The whole thing.

Dr. Jeremy Clay: It's the whole package. So trying to address people's needs and it's amazing when sometimes you get to root causes that you never expected.

Japhet De Oliveira: Yeah, that's fantastic. That's really good. Okay. Where next after 90?

Dr. Jeremy Clay: 95?

Japhet De Oliveira: 95, this is perfect for you. Tell us about how you see your faith and life intersecting.

Dr. Jeremy Clay: I mean, there's no diversions.

Japhet De Oliveira: No diversions.

Dr. Jeremy Clay: I mean, there is, but only when I don't want it to be. So without faith, I would never be even remotely who I am. I wouldn't have the perspectives that I do. It's integral to life. The farther I went in education, the more I realized that we have no idea and we don't understand so many things in the world around us.

Japhet De Oliveira: Yes, it's true.

Dr. Jeremy Clay: So how do you deal with that impossibility? I think the only way is faith. Myself, I come from a Seventh Adventist tradition as in Adventist Health and it's so integral in every aspect of life.

Japhet De Oliveira: It's shaped your life.

Dr. Jeremy Clay: Yeah.

Japhet De Oliveira: Yeah. That's good. Thank you. Thank you. All right, that was 95. So where next?

Dr. Jeremy Clay: Let's try 100.

Japhet De Oliveira: 100, all right. Well, tell us if you would one question that you don't want to answer?

Dr. Jeremy Clay: One stuff.

Japhet De Oliveira: Yeah.

Dr. Jeremy Clay: Probably something along the lines of something where if I was put in a position where what I said I wanted to do and what I did was two different things and trying to explain kind of the difference there.

Japhet De Oliveira: Because integrity is important to you.

Dr. Jeremy Clay: Integrity, authenticity and all of that is very core to a lot of my identity. So if there was ever a time where I was a hypocrite, and not that that has not happened, it certainly has, then answering for that is very, very difficult.

Japhet De Oliveira: Yeah, yeah. Hey, thank you for sharing that and I think many would resonate with that. So you're not alone with that kind of question as well. So that was question 100. Where would you like to go next, I guess?

Dr. Jeremy Clay: Let's go back a little easier. Let's go over somewhere around 20.

Japhet De Oliveira: 20, okay. Tell us something that you would rate 10 out of 10. Yeah.

Dr. Jeremy Clay: The fjords of Norway.

Japhet De Oliveira: Ooh. Oh yes.

Dr. Jeremy Clay: My wife and I did a trip there actually not too long ago for our 10 year wedding anniversary.

Japhet De Oliveira: Oh nice.

Dr. Jeremy Clay: It's just gorgeous.

Japhet De Oliveira: It is, they are.

Dr. Jeremy Clay: I could live there except for the tax situation. California's bad enough.

Japhet De Oliveira: Yeah, it's pretty high. It's pretty high. But then they have some very good systems as well, so.

Dr. Jeremy Clay: They do. You have to pick and choose.

Japhet De Oliveira: Yeah, you do. You do. All right. That was 20. So where next?

Dr. Jeremy Clay: 53.

Japhet De Oliveira: 53. All right. Can you tell us, at least, tell us about at least one important person in your life.

Dr. Jeremy Clay: Well, my wife is by far the most important person. When people first meet me, they assume I'm the dynamic and go-getter of our relationship. That's actually not so-

Japhet De Oliveira: Oh, okay. Okay.

Dr. Jeremy Clay: It's much more of an equal balance than people would assume at first. She is a force of nature. So she has a background in education and grew up actually not too far from where we're sitting now, about 70 or 75 miles driving. So 40 miles away by, as the crow flies, in Lake County and in a place, a little town called Middletown. For the time we lived in Loma Linda, she was a manager of an office that did a lot of things and she was the person that they would go to innovate and do anything and everything. So it's been pretty funny watching her as a mom because she takes the a very similar approach with parenting and she's researching and doing all these things and implementing all these great things and she's an absolutely fantastic mom. Our son is very, very, very, very blessed.

Japhet De Oliveira: Fortunate.

Dr. Jeremy Clay: Fortunate to have her, so.

Japhet De Oliveira: That's fantastic.

Dr. Jeremy Clay: She's amazing and very, very involved in the community and doing all sorts of things around, and just, yeah, love my life.

Japhet De Oliveira: That's great. That's great. Hey, that's beautiful. I think you may have recovered from that earlier question about when you misplace things, maybe.

Dr. Jeremy Clay: Hopefully.

Japhet De Oliveira: Hopefully. Hopefully, you let me know how that goes for you. All right, where do you want to go next?

Dr. Jeremy Clay: 43.

Japhet De Oliveira: 43. All right. Tell us about the best gift that you've ever received.

Dr. Jeremy Clay: Probably the most meaningful one was when I was finishing up high school. What I didn't tell you about is I played the violin professionally in my spare time.

Japhet De Oliveira: Oh really? Okay.

Dr. Jeremy Clay: So I play in the local symphony. There was a violin that fit my playing style and how I play very, very, very well. My parents gave that to me. I had a very, very good friend who I played violin with growing up from the time we were six or so all the way through high school, and then college went our separate ways. He had a violin that was made by the same person that was very, very close to that together. He had sadly passed away a couple years ago.

Japhet De Oliveira: I'm so sorry.

Dr. Jeremy Clay: So his family actually didn't want anybody else to have it and wanted me to take his violin because they knew I was one of the few who could actually kind of appreciate it and play it and that, so.

Japhet De Oliveira: And honor him at the same time.

Dr. Jeremy Clay: And honor him. So, well, I still like playing my own more. I always have to pull out Danny's violin from time to time.

Japhet De Oliveira: Hey, that's beautiful. I appreciate that. It is a privilege to be able to look after and to honor people.

Dr. Jeremy Clay: Indeed.

Japhet De Oliveira: So that's nice. That's really beautiful. I'm glad the family trusts you in that and loves you for that. That's great. All right, where next?

Dr. Jeremy Clay: 12.

Japhet De Oliveira: 12. Okay, here we go. What's your favorite movie or book of all time and why?

Dr. Jeremy Clay: There's so many. I think book-wise, the one that I keep coming back to, probably second to the Bible because that's just so integral, there's a fantastic book that's called How Not to Die.

Japhet De Oliveira: Oh great. That's great.

Dr. Jeremy Clay: It's written by a physician, Dr. Michael Greger. It's basically a manual of lifestyle medicine, which has been so, so key and formative in kind of some of my professional kind of development. It just dives deep into the research and it's an aspiring thing where I want to be able to see to do. Every time I read it, there's always things that I forgot about that I have to go back. You can get it on audiobook. He actually narrated himself at his... I can only do so much at a time, honestly. But it's dense and it's amazing information.

Japhet De Oliveira: Well, I look forward to your book as well.

Dr. Jeremy Clay: Let's not get ahead of ourselves.

Japhet De Oliveira: Okay. All right. All right, we have time for two more numbers. So would you like to go a for your last two?

Dr. Jeremy Clay: 65?

Japhet De Oliveira: 65, all right. If you could share one word that you could use to describe your past, then could you unpack that one word?

Dr. Jeremy Clay: Probably drive.

Japhet De Oliveira: Then that means?

Dr. Jeremy Clay: Basically the every step is looking towards what's next, looking towards the future, looking towards what the possibilities are.

Japhet De Oliveira: Hey, that's great. All right, last question, Jeremy. Which number? Which number do you want?

Dr. Jeremy Clay: Could I let you choose?

Japhet De Oliveira: I would love to, but unfortunately I've always been faithful to letting people choose.

Dr. Jeremy Clay: Did I do 75 already? Let's do 75.

Japhet De Oliveira: Let me look here. No we did not. So do you remember the very first item that you purchased with your own money? If so, what was it?

Dr. Jeremy Clay: Oh, absolutely.

Japhet De Oliveira: Okay. Before you echo, tell me.

Dr. Jeremy Clay: So the very first item was a Razor scooter.

Japhet De Oliveira: Oh yeah.

Dr. Jeremy Clay: I worked all summer in a yard at my parents' house. We got paid for chores or whatever. We never have allowance. I worked all summer when I was seven or eight years old to get up to the money to buy the Razor scooter when these were in the peak of their popularity. They were new, new-new. I worked all summer and finally got one and it was the most amazing thing ever. Such a point of pride.

Japhet De Oliveira: Oh, hey, that's fantastic. Well, Dr. Jeremy Clay, it has been a privilege to have this conversation and thank you for skipping outside of Incubate for a little bit to be able to do this.

Dr. Jeremy Clay: Absolutely.

Japhet De Oliveira: It's been great. It's been great. I want to encourage everybody who's listening to do the same thing. Sit down with a new friend, with an old friend, ask good questions, listen. You will both learn and you will both be changed for it for the better. So God bless everybody and we'll connect soon.

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