Steven Moser
Episode 29

Narrator:

Welcome friends to another episode of The Story & Experience Podcast. Join your host Japhet De Oliveira with his guest today and discover the moments that shape us, our families and communities.

Japhet De Oliveira:

Welcome friends to another episode of The Story & Experience Podcast. I'm very excited to welcome a new guest today. And again, this particular episode is being recorded in England, really excited for that as well. And so, without much further ado, I'm going to ask our guest, who's just sitting across the table from me right now, smiling just ever so slightly, if you could share your name with us.

Steven Moser:

Hello, I'm Steven Moser.

Japhet De Oliveira:

Brilliant, Steven. Steven, is there anybody who ever slaughters your name, or do they get your name right every time they say it?

Steven Moser:

Pretty much.

Japhet De Oliveira:

Pretty much. Pretty safe. All right. Good. Well, Steven, really glad to be able to have you join us today. Tell me, what do you do for work?

Steven Moser:

I'm a radiologist. I read x-rays.

Japhet De Oliveira:

You read x-rays. Is that a fun job, exciting job?

Steven Moser:

It is a fun job. I do a lot more actually, than just reading x-rays.

Japhet De Oliveira:

(laughing) Yeah, okay, okay.

Steven Moser:

As well as reading x-rays, I do interventional radiology which is operations, um, using needles, wires, catheters. So,

Japhet De Oliveira:

OK.

Steven Moser:

Fantastic. I leave no marks.

Japhet De Oliveira:

You, yeah, I understand that you're pretty unique in your field, and so, pretty much an expert in your field, and so very excited to hear that you, you, the way you described it, 'I read x-rays' I'm like, mm... Little bit understated about what you do, but yes. (laughs) Well, Dr. Moser we're really glad to have you. Steven, really glad to be able to have you here. How long have you been in this role?

Steven Moser:

I started my training in radiology in 1999.

Japhet De Oliveira:

Oh, okay.

Steven Moser:

So I've been doing it for a little while.

Japhet De Oliveira:

Yeah.

Steven Moser:

I've been a consultant for about 15, 16 years now.

Japhet De Oliveira:

OK.

Steven Moser:

So I've been doing these procedures for a little longer than 15, 16 years.

Japhet De Oliveira:

All right. So you're a consultant. All right. Slight, slight difference too. All right. Good. (laughs) That's brilliant. Fantastic stuff. Tell me, um, just to help our audience understand a little bit here. In the morning, drink of choice. Is it water, first drink? Is it green liquid smoothie, coffee, tea? What do you start the day off with?

Steven Moser:

I drink nothing. I eat nothing in the morning.

Japhet De Oliveira:

You do drink nothi- (laughing). OK. Well that's-

Steven Moser:

I might have a glass of water at work.

Japhet De Oliveira:

All right. So it's just broken my theory there. That's great. Fantastic. And (laughing) where, where were you born, Stephen?

Steven Moser:

I was born in India in a little village called Ranchi, which is in Bihar. East, far east in India, near um... I suppose the biggest city there would be Kolkata.

Japhet De Oliveira:

OK. All right. Fantastic. Brilliant. And then you came to England-

Steven Moser:

When I was 17.

Japhet De Oliveira:

Ooh, okay.

Steven Moser:

My childhood years, my, my all my childhood years-

Japhet De Oliveira:

Oh, yeah.

Steven Moser:

-were in India. We were in England briefly for, for a few years when I was young. But the rest was in India until we, I was 17.

Japhet De Oliveira:

Been able to travel back to India a lot?

Steven Moser:

I try.

Japhet De Oliveira:

I try (laughs) That's good. When you were a child, what did you imagine you were going to be?

Steven Moser:

I going to be a rickshaw driver for a while because I hated school. I didn't want to leave home. Once I got over the school problem, I was going to be a doctor.

Japhet De Oliveira:

You're going to be a doctor. All right. All right. And were you going to be a radiologist? Is that what you imagi-

Steven Moser:

I was going to be a cardiologist.

Japhet De Oliveira:

Cardiologist. OK. All right.

Steven Moser:

Or a surgeon.

Japhet De Oliveira:

Or a surgeon. All right. Well, that's fantastic. And then if we were to describe your personality, would people describe you as an introvert or extrovert or...

Steven Moser:

A dry introvert.

Japhet De Oliveira:

A dry introvert. I like that. I've not had anybody say that. A dry introvert. All right, that's great.

Japhet De Oliveira:

Um..Habits. Are you an early riser or late night owl?

Steven Moser:

I have to rise early. My work requires it and I am up very late. Rarely, rarely in bed before 1:00.

Japhet De Oliveira:

So, you don't sleep hardly at all then.

Steven Moser:

I sleep, I sleep between 1:00 and 6:00.

Japhet De Oliveira:

One and six. All right. Ah, that's a bit rough. All right then. Here's a leadership question for you. Uh Steven, are you a, a backseat driver?

Steven Moser:

Hmm. I tend to drive.

Japhet De Oliveira:

You tend to drive.

Steven Moser:

I tend to drive.

Japhet De Oliveira:

Tend to drive (laughs). OK. That's fi-

Steven Moser:

If I'm in the backseat, I think of things to say, but I try not to say them.

Japhet De Oliveira:

All right. Um, what was the very first thought that went through your mind this morning?

Steven Moser:

I wonder what time Japhet is coming over.

Japhet De Oliveira:

(laughs).

Steven Moser:

Do we need to get up yet?

Japhet De Oliveira:

Do we need to get up (laughing) I'm glad, I'm glad-

Steven Moser:

Nothing, nothing profound.

Japhet De Oliveira:

Yeah. I'm glad that shaped, I'm glad I'm shaped your day. That's great. All right. Let's uh, let's dive then into your section now where you get to choose numbers between 11 and 100 and obviously 100 is the hardest. And so between 11 and 100, where would you like to begin?

Steven Moser:

Let's start with the hardest shall we?

Japhet De Oliveira:

Oh, really? OK. You're right. So I take it. That's...

Steven Moser:

A hundred.

Japhet De Oliveira:

A hundred. All right. Uh, so, for a hundred here, um, tell us about one question that you just don't want to answer.

Steven Moser:

Hmm. Now that's difficult.

Japhet De Oliveira:

Yeah. You know, it is supposed to be 

Steven Moser:

And that's supposedly why it is number 100.

Japhet De Oliveira:

It is supposed to be, it's supposed to take a while-

Steven Moser:

..the question I don't want to answer.

Japhet De Oliveira:

It's the question you don't want to answer. There's only one person who's ever asked that, like, tell me 100 straight away. And so it is uh, yeah.

Steven Moser:

I don't have much to say about many things. Um, it's not that I have great secrets. I just don't have much to say. So it's not so much, 'do I have a question that I don't want to answer?'. I don't have many questions rattling around in my head.

Japhet De Oliveira:

OK. Would there be a question that um, you would think to yourself? 'Hmm. I'd rather not have to delve into that area.'

Steven Moser:

Questions relating to racism. Origins.

Japhet De Oliveira:

OK.

Steven Moser:

I find those quite difficult.

Japhet De Oliveira:

That's actually very fair. I understand.

Steven Moser:

While you can't see it, and while my accent may not say it, I happen to be brown.

Japhet De Oliveira:

Yeah.

Steven Moser:

And it's very easy for me to get on when I'm on a telephone.

Japhet De Oliveira:

Mm-hmm (affirmative).

Steven Moser:

And it, to be fair, it's very easy for me to get on in, in my sphere, because I am in charge.

Japhet De Oliveira:

Hmm.

Steven Moser:

But in other areas it can be tricky. I don't like being questioned about my race.

Japhet De Oliveira:

I understand. I understand. That's good. Appreciate that, appreciate you diving in the deep end and opening up as well in that area. So where would you go after 100, Steven?

Steven Moser:

Let's go down to 33.

Japhet De Oliveira:

33. All right. Here we go. 33 it is. Tell us about the best gift you've ever given someone else.

Steven Moser:

See. Now that is all about perception.

Japhet De Oliveira:

Oh, okay. Yeah.

Steven Moser:

It's nothing to do with what I think of a gift.

Japhet De Oliveira:

Yeah.

Steven Moser:

So I may give something, which I think is amazing.

Steven Moser:

Let me change that a little bit. I, I'm a Christian. I believe in, in, in, in God, I believe in, in Christ.

Japhet De Oliveira:

Mm-hmm (affirmative).

Steven Moser:

..who gave everything for me.

Japhet De Oliveira:

Hmm.

Steven Moser:

However, if I don't rate that gift of life,

Japhet De Oliveira:

Hmm.

Steven Moser:

..it was no gift at all. So that's, you know, that that's quite a diversion from what you've asked me.

Japhet De Oliveira:

I like it though.

Steven Moser:

So coming back. You know, the gift of a watch, the gift of a car-

Japhet De Oliveira:

Yeah.

Steven Moser:

...those are big gifts. Are they the best gifts I've ever given? Probably the best gift that I have ever given is taking time out from work and spending it with my family.

Japhet De Oliveira:

Mm-hmm (affirmative).

Steven Moser:

Cost me nothing.

Japhet De Oliveira:

Hmm. That's beautiful. Beautiful.

Steven Moser:

And you remind me, I need to do that more often-

Japhet De Oliveira:

And a reminder to everyone-

Steven Moser:

Shame on me-

Japhet De Oliveira:

A reminder to everyone. Appreciate that. Good. After 33, Steven?

Steven Moser:

Let's go up to 99.

Japhet De Oliveira:

99 (laughing)

Japhet De Oliveira:

OK. I like this. What is the most difficult truth you've ever told?

Steven Moser:

The truth of the imminence of death.

Japhet De Oliveira:

Hmm.

Steven Moser:

That's a very difficult truth. Um...I've been in that situation a few times.

Japhet De Oliveira:

Hmm.

Steven Moser:

That is a very difficult truth, but I will share the most difficult truth that I have had to share. A friend came in to see me. Asked if I would do an ultrasound scan on her and I'll give you context in a minute. And of course I said, that's no problem. We went into the room. I did the ultrasound.

Japhet De Oliveira:

Yeah.

Steven Moser:

As I scanned her, she was watching the screen and watching my face. Um, I'm often described as being inscrutable, not that easy to read. The scan went on and I turned to her and I said, Karen, I am really sorry. There is no heartbeat. I had just scanned her because she wanted to look at her to-be-born baby. That wasn't a nice truth to share.

Japhet De Oliveira:

Mm-hmm (affirmative). That would be very hard.

Steven Moser:

It was.

Japhet De Oliveira:

Yeah. Absolutely. Absolutely. The loss of life, um, the end of life. Absolutely.

Steven Moser:

Or the carrying of death.

Japhet De Oliveira:

Or the carrying of death.

Steven Moser:

That start of life was actually just death.

Japhet De Oliveira:

Hmm. Hmm. It's good that you were able to be there.

Steven Moser:

I'd rather have not. (laughs).

Japhet De Oliveira:

Well, well, yeah, I agree. I agree. It's hard. It's hard to be. It's hard to be the person who has to deliver it, but um, it was good that- to have friends to be able to deliver that as well. Or people who actually care to deliver. That's difficult, but it's good. I appreciate that.

Japhet De Oliveira:

Um, all right. You're, you're jumping around from 33 to 99. Where do you want to go after 99?

Steven Moser:

Let's go balanced. 66.

Japhet De Oliveira:

OK. 66. All right. Tell us about one of your favorite songs and what do you love about it?

Steven Moser:

So I'm just going to skip that question. I don't listen to much music.

Japhet De Oliveira:

(laughs) OK.

Steven Moser:

I don't remember songs particularly well.

Japhet De Oliveira:

Uh-huh (affirmative).

Steven Moser:

Tunes stick in my head, but I have very little to say on the subject.

Japhet De Oliveira:

That's okay. That's okay. I am, I'm the same way 

Steven Moser:

There's, there's significant gap I'm afraid in my education, in that respect.

Japhet De Oliveira:

(laughing) That's right. All right. I understand. All right after 66, where do you want to go next?

Steven Moser:

Let's hit one.

Japhet De Oliveira:

Let's hit- oh, well we've done the first 10

Steven Moser:

Oh, we've done the first 10.

Japhet De Oliveira:

First 10, yeah.

Steven Moser:

Yeah, so okay. So let's go to 72.

Japhet De Oliveira:

72. All right. Tell us about what you want to do when you retire and why are you waiting?

Steven Moser:

Mm. What do I want to do when I retire? I'd like to travel.

Japhet De Oliveira:

Mm-hmm (affirmative).

Steven Moser:

I do travel though.

Japhet De Oliveira:

Yeah. I was going to say-

Steven Moser:

..when I'm not retired, but I'd like to travel more. So I'm not waiting for that. Well, I am waiting at the moment.

Japhet De Oliveira:

Uh-huh (affirmative).

Steven Moser:

COVID being, as it is, all travel has pretty much come to an end-

Japhet De Oliveira:

Come to an end.

Steven Moser:

...or come to a halt. I hope it's not come to an end. Um, what else would I like to do? As part of my travels I'd like to experience food. I am. I like food, but I don't just like the eating of food. I like the making of food.

Japhet De Oliveira:

Yes.

Steven Moser:

I like to see how it's done. I love going into foreign supermarkets, foreign restaurants to see what's...what they have.

Japhet De Oliveira:

For our listeners, you need to know that Steven's a, is a brilliant, brilliant chef, uh, and a connoisseur of very fine things. And so he, er, he makes, everything he makes he'll, he'll master it. And he'll-

Japhet De Oliveira:

It's a really great, great art. So appreciate that you, you do your medical work and, and (laughs) you've taken this on as well. So, beautiful. Beautiful. All right. Where do you want to go next?

Steven Moser:

Let's go to 65.

Japhet De Oliveira:

65. Share one word that you could use to describe your past. Then, could you unpack that one word.

Steven Moser:

Fluid.

Japhet De Oliveira:

OK.

Steven Moser:

My past has been very fluid, very mobile. Born on the east in India. My parents were mission doctors in India. We traveled the length and breadth of India. Then briefly over to England, where my, when my parents, my father was doing his postgraduate medical studies. Back to India, to the north of India. Every few years, a different state, and states in India are not states like you underst- like, like most of us in the west understand it. A different state in India is a different language, different clothes, different food, different culture. It is a different country.

Japhet De Oliveira:

Wow.

Steven Moser:

Different friends. And that continued till I was 17. Then I, then we moved to the, to the UK. Did my high school in a little town called Ipswich. From there I trained up in Scotland, um, in Aberdeen. There was no university further away. I didn't choose it for its distance.

Japhet De Oliveira:

(laughing).

Steven Moser:

They accepted me and I graciously accepted their kind offer. Worked in London, worked in Switzerland. Yeah. Life has been fluid.

Japhet De Oliveira:

Fluid. I like it. That's beautiful. Good. All right. Where next?

Steven Moser:

37.

Japhet De Oliveira:

37. All right. Here we go. What do you like most about your family? Hmm.

Steven Moser:

I'm quiet. I'm often described as not having a lot to say, even though there's a lot going on in my head.

Japhet De Oliveira:

Yeah.

Steven Moser:

But my household, which consists of um, an extrovert, Australian wife, four very noisy girls and one reasonably, noisy son, means that we have a very noisy household and Hey, it's great.

Japhet De Oliveira:

It's great. That's fantastic. I like that. Good. Good. Now right. Where do you want to go after 37?

Steven Moser:

Let's go to 62.

Japhet De Oliveira:

62. All right. What does a sense of community mean to you?

Steven Moser:

Community is summed up by the parable.

Japhet De Oliveira:

Hmm.

Steven Moser:

Where the man goes and bangs on his neighbor's door for food in the middle of the night. That for me is community. Would I have the courage Japhet, to disturb you in the middle of the night? Well, as it happens, yes, I would. Would I have that courage to disturb many others as it happens? No, I wouldn't.

Japhet De Oliveira:

Hmm.

Steven Moser:

Community is about us all being responsible for each other.

Japhet De Oliveira:

Hmm.

Steven Moser:

Not just when it's convenient, not just when it's pleasant, not just when it's showy. It's when it's cold. When it's muddy.

Japhet De Oliveira:

Yeah.

Steven Moser:

When it's uncomfortable, when I've got a hundred better things to do-

Japhet De Oliveira:

yeah.

Steven Moser:

...when I've got a television program to watch. That's community. Reliability. Reliability, both ways.

Japhet De Oliveira:

Hmm. I like that, Steven. And I think that's actually very, very true about you. And for those of you who don't know, Steven, he not only articulated that right now, but actually he lives that. He is living community to many, many people and so I think that's, that's a beautiful descriptor. I've never thought of you in that way, the way you described it right now, but that's actually very true. It's really beautiful. Thank you. I think that would be good for a lot of people to have community like that as well.

Japhet De Oliveira:

So, where would you like to go next?

Steven Moser:

Have we done 92?

Japhet De Oliveira:

No, we haven't.

Steven Moser:

92 it is.

Japhet De Oliveira:

All right,. How would you like to be remembered?

Steven Moser:

Hmm. I'd like to be remembered as somebody who cared.

Japhet De Oliveira:

Hmm.

Japhet De Oliveira:

By everyone in particular? Anybody in particular? Or just by everyone?

Steven Moser:

By everyone.

Japhet De Oliveira:

That's good. That's good. I like that.

Steven Moser:

I- none of us care enough.

Japhet De Oliveira:

I hear you. I hear you. The capacity. Sometimes we think we don't have enough, but actually it's true. To be remembered in that way is beautiful. It's good. Good.

Japhet De Oliveira:

Where do you want to go after 92?

Steven Moser:

39.

Japhet De Oliveira:

39. If you didn't need to sleep, (laughs) what would you do with your extra time?

Steven Moser:

I never have enough time. I don't sleep much already.

Japhet De Oliveira:

I know, I was going to say...

Steven Moser:

Um, I'd probably build a bit more on my hobbies with my fish aquarium.

Japhet De Oliveira:

Yeah.

Steven Moser:

I'd like to spend more time with, with Kira my wife.

Japhet De Oliveira:

Yeah.

Steven Moser:

My children. You know, when it's all said and done, there's not going to be a plaque on my, on my hospital operating room to say 'he gave his life for the cause'.

Japhet De Oliveira:

Hmm.

Steven Moser:

It's not to say I don't take that seriously. I do. But it's not what you are remembered for. You're remembered for family. For the love you share, I suppose.

Japhet De Oliveira:

Yeah. It's true. It's true. The family and the community that we are a part of. It's very true. It's very true. All right. Where do you want to go next?

Steven Moser:

Have we done 96?

Japhet De Oliveira:

No, we have not. Uh, 96. Tell us about the last time that you cried.

Steven Moser:

I got a bit watery just now. When I was telling- 

Japhet De Oliveira:

I know, I know, I know-

Steven Moser:

... when I was telling you about my friend,

Japhet De Oliveira:

I know. I know, but... People don't get to see the tears right now. But, but yes.

Steven Moser:

So that was easy. I'm sticking with that one.

Japhet De Oliveira:

(laughs) You're sticking with that one, OK. All right. Ah, yeah.

Steven Moser:

I will say I don't cry very often-

Japhet De Oliveira:

Yeah.

Steven Moser:

...but things affect me deeply.

Japhet De Oliveira:

I know. Well, it's, it's one of the blessings and of you, of you as a person and the characteristic of who you are is that you, you care deeply and you have a huge capacity, a huge empathetic capacity and you live it. And so it's deep consequences with that. So, and I appreciate, and I appreciate that about you. Yeah. OK. We have time for a couple more. So-

Steven Moser:

Let me go back to that question.

Japhet De Oliveira:

OK.

Steven Moser:

The time before, where, where my eyes watered. It was just yesterday. Just yesterday.

Japhet De Oliveira:

Oh, really?

Steven Moser:

I had a very sick young mother-

Japhet De Oliveira:

Hmm.

Steven Moser:

...who was having a baby and who was bleeding to the point where we were struggling to control. We couldn't squeeze blood in-

Japhet De Oliveira:

Oh my.

Steven Moser:

...couldn't squeeze blood in as quickly as she was losing blood. My job, as they were squeezing blood in, was to stop the bleeding.

Japhet De Oliveira:

Mm.

Steven Moser:

And as a team we worked and we... struggling to get this bleeding stopped struggling. We, we, praise God, we got it stopped.

Japhet De Oliveira:

hmm.

Steven Moser:

And when it was done and the adrenaline started to settle and you realize the magnitude of the situation. So I, I left the room and just outside the, the operating room was the side room, the anesthetic room. And in that room was the husband,

Japhet De Oliveira:

Hmm.

Steven Moser:

..who was holding his newborn son, who was just sobbing in there.

Japhet De Oliveira:

Hmm.

Steven Moser:

And it was nice to say to him, 'she's going to be okay'.

Japhet De Oliveira:

Hmm.

Steven Moser:

And I left that room with my eyes welling, but he didn't know.

Japhet De Oliveira:

Yeah.

Steven Moser:

Because he was too busy blubbering to himself.

Japhet De Oliveira:

(laughing) That's beautiful. That's beautiful. Hey, that's uh, that's a moment to treasure. That's good. That's good. Hey, appreciate you. Appreciate you for sharing that. And to everybody listened to that as well. Those moments of life, those moments that could be another way. It's, it's a miracle and a real blessing. Absolutely.

Japhet De Oliveira:

All right Steven. Time for just a couple more. Where do you want to go with your last two?

Steven Moser:

17

Japhet De Oliveira:

17.

Steven Moser:

That's how old I was when I came to the U.K.

Japhet De Oliveira:

All right, all right. 17 it is. Share what, share what day is most special to you, and on the calendar, and why.

Steven Moser:

Oh, that's, that's tricky.

Japhet De Oliveira:

(laughs) Yes.

Steven Moser:

That's tricky. So we have as a, as a couple, my wife and I have purposely played down our anniversary-

Japhet De Oliveira:

OK.

Steven Moser:

...because it's so cliched with flowers and cards and... So we've stopped that.

Japhet De Oliveira:

OK.

Steven Moser:

But it is a very special time to remember that we have tolerated each other (laughing).

Japhet De Oliveira:

(laughing).

Steven Moser:

..for all these years and that we continue, I would like to think, to grow together in, in, in strength and in unity.

Japhet De Oliveira:

Hmm

Steven Moser:

So that's-

Japhet De Oliveira:

That's good.

Steven Moser:

...that's quite a, that's quite an important...

Japhet De Oliveira:

That's an important marker. I like it. I like it. Good. And then-

Steven Moser:

I suppose I should tell you a date.

Japhet De Oliveira:

Well you could, I mean, I mean you'd be-

Steven Moser:

The 22nd of July.

Japhet De Oliveira:

OK. I mean you could, that's great. Or you could just keep it. That's great. 22nd of July. Beautiful.

Steven Moser:

1998.

Japhet De Oliveira:

OK, fantastic. So for your last, where would you like to go?

Steven Moser:

91.

Japhet De Oliveira:

91. All right. Describe a time in your life when you learned about forgiveness.

Japhet De Oliveira:

(laughs) That sound is the beautiful sound of your dog, but we're going to ignore it. We'll stay focused on this question. So learn, describe a time in your life when you learned about forgiveness.

Steven Moser:

Forgiveness is best taught by other people forgiving, I have found.

Japhet De Oliveira:

Hmm.

Steven Moser:

One of the, the one that really sticks in my mind is probably trivial when I look back, but at the time was very, a big deal for me.

Japhet De Oliveira:

Hmm-

Steven Moser:

I was about 14, 13, and I decided to, to, to, to drive the family car-

Japhet De Oliveira:

OK. OK.

Steven Moser:

...as, as one does.

Japhet De Oliveira:

(laughs) OK.

Steven Moser:

Um, it wasn't a naughty thing to do. We lived on a big campus, so you know, we were allowed to sort of do things like that. Unfortunately, I, I, I drove down the, the, the road in the campus that was absolutely fine. And then I needed to turn the car around. So I turned it, but unfortunately it tur-

Steven Moser:

The place where you, where I had to turn was on a ramp. And I hadn't quite figured out this business of hill starts.

Japhet De Oliveira:

OK.

Steven Moser:

And at the bottom of this ramp, there was a wall, and I thought, right, now I've got to get the car moving forward. So each time I lifted my foot off the brake to press the accelerator, it rolled back a bit.

Japhet De Oliveira:

Yeah,

Steven Moser:

And so I slammed the brake back on.

Japhet De Oliveira:

Yeah.

Steven Moser:

And I tried and I tried and I tried and it kept rolling back and back. And I looked behind me and I thought, 'what's going to happen here?'. And sure enough, I hit the wall and dented the back of the car.

Japhet De Oliveira:

Yeah (laughs).

Steven Moser:

And then of course it was stationary and I could drive it back out and parked it back home. And that night, when, when my, when my parents came home, I told my dad, 'look, I'm really sorry. Look, I, this is what happened.' And he didn't miss a beat. He said, "It's just a car".

Japhet De Oliveira:

Mm.

Steven Moser:

Just a car. So maybe that's a lesson, less on forgiveness and more in priority. But it's gone with me. It stuck with me that.

Japhet De Oliveira:

It's beautiful.

Steven Moser:

Most things are 'just a car'.

Japhet De Oliveira:

It's true. It's true. Most things actually are. And yet we fret about them, but we could actually look at it that way. Good perspective.

Japhet De Oliveira:

Well, Steven, I want to thank you for joining us today and for sharing with The Story & Experience Podcast. And I want to encourage everybody who's listening to continue asking questions, continue sharing your own experiences as well, because inside those moments, you get to shape each other's lives and you get to shape this planet and be able to live God's mission of love to everybody else as well. God bless and look after you.

Steven Moser:

Bye bye.

Narrator:

Thank you for joining us for The Story & Experience Podcast. We invite you to read, watch and submit your story and experience at AdventistHealth.org/Story. The Story & Experience Podcast was brought to you by Adventist Health through the Office of Culture.